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Why are Democrats constantly lectured to do a better job "messaging" to white rural voters

and no matter how hard Democrats try to talk to them, cater to them, and do for them, when those voters continue to vote Republican, Democrats are blamed for not having the right message


when black people make simple demands - like, "please treat us like everyone else and stop killing us in the street," - we're told that WE have the wrong message and we need to change it if we want anyone to listen to us?

Can someone explain why white rural voters aren't held responsible for explaining their needs more clearly and Republicans aren't ever lectured about shaping a better message for Black Americans?
Posted by StarfishSaver | Tue Dec 1, 2020, 09:32 AM (43 replies)

Biden broke his foot, but Pavlovitz broke Twitter

Posted by StarfishSaver | Sun Nov 29, 2020, 11:01 PM (10 replies)

President-Elect Biden has a hairline fracture in his foot - Two takeaways

1. These kinds of injuries happen to active people;

2. The American public was given prompt and complete information about the Predident-Elect's condition.

Posted by StarfishSaver | Sun Nov 29, 2020, 08:28 PM (29 replies)

Thank you, Eugene Robinson, for talking about the other "real Americans"

Want to understand Biden voters? Here’s your reading list.

Who are they and what drove them to vote in such huge numbers, even during a pandemic? What makes them tick? Is it culture? Tribalism? Race? How did they come to their worldview, and why do they cling to it so passionately? What do they mean for the future of American democracy?

I’m talking about the opaque and inscrutable Joe Biden voter, of course.

After Donald Trump won in 2016, the media and academia embarked on a numbingly comprehensive sociological and anthropological examination of “the Trump voter.” Reporters and researchers swarmed what seemed like every bereft factory town in the industrial Midwest, every hill and hollow of Appalachia, every windswept farming community throughout the Great Plains. I’m pretty sure television crews did, in fact, bring us reports from every single diner in the contiguous United States — at least, those where at least one regular patron wears overalls.

Never mind that nearly 3 million more of us voted against Trump four years ago; no one seemed terribly interested in our inner lives, our hopes and dreams. This time, however, the gap is too big to ignore — Biden, the president-elect, beat Trump by more than 6 million votes and counting. He won back the heartland of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. He won Georgia, for heaven’s sake.

Logically, then, we should put aside those dog-eared copies of J.D. Vance’s “Hillbilly Elegy” and subject “the Biden voter” to the same kind of microscopic scrutiny. Venture out of your bubble, Trump supporters, and try to understand how most of America thinks.


BREAKING: Third Circuit upholds lower court's dismissal of Trump/Giuliani suit in Pennsylvania

And does so with no mercy ...

Oh - And the judge writing this scathing opinion was appointed by ... Wait for it ... Trump


The Trump Presidential Campaign asserts that Pennsylvania’s 2020 election was unfair. But as lawyer Rudolph Giuliani stressed, the Campaign “doesn’t plead fraud. . . . [T]his is not a fraud case.” Mot. to Dismiss Hr’g Tr. 118:19–20, 137:18. Instead, it objects that Pennsylvania’s Secretary of State and some counties restricted poll watchers and let voters fix technical defects in their mail-in ballots. It offers nothing more.

Voters, not lawyers, choose the President. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections. The ballots here are governed by Pennsylvania election law. No federal law requires poll watchers or specifies where they must live or how close  they may stand when votes are counted. Nor does federal law govern whether to count ballots  with minor state-law defects or let voters cure those defects. Those are all issues of state law, not ones that we  can hear. And
earlier lawsuits have rejected those claims. 

Seeking to turn those state-law claims into federal ones, the Campaign claims discrimination. But its alchemy cannot transmute lead  into  gold. The Campaign never alleges that any ballot was fraudulent or cast by an illegal  voter. It never alleges that any defendant treated the Trump campaign or its votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or its votes. Calling something discrimination does not make it so. The Second Amended Complaint still suffers from these core defects, so  granting leave to amend would have been futile.  

And there is no basis to grant the unprecedented injunction  sought here. First, for the reasons already given,  the Campaign is unlikely to succeed  on the merits. Second, it shows no irreparable
harm, offering specific challenges to many fewer ballots than the roughly 81,000-vote margin of  victory. Third, the Campaign is responsible for its delay and repetitive litigation. Finally,  the public interest strongly favors  finality, counting every lawful voter’s vote, and not disenfranchising millions of Pennsylvania voters who voted by mail. Plus, discarding those votes could disrupt  every other election on the  ballot.  

We will thus affirm the District Court’s denial of leave to amend, and we deny an injunction pending appeal. The Campaign asked for a very fast briefing schedule, and we have granted its request.

Because  the Campaign wants us to move as fast as possible, we also deny oral argument. We grant all motions to file overlength responses, to file amicus briefs, and to  supplement appendices. We deny  all other outstanding motions as moot. This Court’s mandate shall issue at once.
Posted by StarfishSaver | Fri Nov 27, 2020, 12:59 PM (18 replies)

Add the Michigan certification vote to the list of Trump epic fails

Trump pulled out all the stops, using all the powers of his office, including leaning all over the Michigan legislature and he got his ass handed to him - with a huge assist by his own team who refused to go along.

Interesting that the state legislators, whom many thought would steal the election for Trump, have shown more courage and commitment to democracy than US senators and members of Congress
Posted by StarfishSaver | Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:47 PM (3 replies)

GOP Board of Canvassers member just announced he would vote to certify Michigan results

It's essentially over.
Posted by StarfishSaver | Mon Nov 23, 2020, 04:25 PM (30 replies)

Aaron Van Langenvelde

GOP vice chair of the Michigan Board of State Canvassers, so far, isn't having it that there is any basis for not certifying the election results.

Unless be does a complete 180 at some later point in this hearing, these results will be certified.

I hope someone is preparing a nice cushy place for him under the GOP bus.

Posted by StarfishSaver | Mon Nov 23, 2020, 02:50 PM (3 replies)

Carl Bernstein outs 21 GOP senators who "disdain" Trump in private but remain publicly silent

Posted by StarfishSaver | Mon Nov 23, 2020, 08:33 AM (16 replies)

Why I don't think the Supreme Court will take up the Pennsylvania case

1. The Court takes very few cases that are appealed to it. They are NOT going to waste their time on this nothingburger.

2. Jurisdiction would have to be based on there being a constitutional question that needs to be resolved. As the trial court made clear, the plaintiffs failed to properly allege and definitely didn't present anything close to sufficient evidence that the defendant violated the Constitutional rights of the Trump campaign or the two voters who brought the suit.

3. Even if they wanted to find a Constitutional violation, that would create a very dangerous precedent that the Court would NOT want.

The plaintiffs are claiming their rights were violated because the counties where they voted didn't go out of their way to facilitate their ability to vote by notifying them if an opportunity to cure their faulty ballots while other counties did do that for their voters and that this warrants the votes of ALL other voters be thrown out.

If the Court were to find that that inconsistency was a violation of equal protection and/or due process, that would open the floodgates for minority and low-income voters to demand similar response to other inconsistencies in voting systems.

Fewer machines and longer lines in Philly than in the suburbs? FIX IT OR THROW OUT EVERYONE'S VOTE!

Different early voting hours in different counties in Florida? CHANGE IT OR THROW OUT EVERYONE'S VOTE!

The Court is NOT going there.
Posted by StarfishSaver | Sun Nov 22, 2020, 03:54 PM (66 replies)
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