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Honeycombe8

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12. Not true. The conversations picked up by surveillance were of RUSSIAN operatives.

Sun Jan 21, 2018, 06:48 PM

Jan 2018

Not the Patriot Act surveillance at all. As far as we know.

No one surveilled Trump or his gang, as far as we know. That's the Trump team's paranoid fear, and part of the paranoid accusation by Trump against Obama long ago (remember that? Kellyanne saying the Microwave could be a camera, and Trump saying Obama taped him or whatever).

The NSA surveillance is primarily for citizens, not officials. That's the danger of it all. There ARE pre-Patriot Act ways to do such surveillance, but they require getting the go-ahead from a judge BEFORE you do it. And there's a record of it.

Under the Patriot Act, no pre-surveillance warrant is required, so don't have to show cause for it, and there is no record of it. We will never know who was surveilled, unless there are records left somewhere to show it.

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We're Giving Trump a license to spy on us??? [View all] DemocracyMouse Jan 2018 OP

It's FISA and it's been around for decades MattP Jan 2018 #1

We need an open, court record of all government snooping on the communications Sophia4 Jan 2018 #3

Yes, we need to spy back (in the open) so the paranoid can't sink democracy DemocracyMouse Jan 2018 #4

nope...this bill was even worse questionseverything Jan 2018 #7

This section in the FISA surveillance law should be done away with. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #2

If you live in any City of 100k or more, Wellstone ruled Jan 2018 #5

......and those cameras are depressing. It kills our sense of being proud, free, happy citizens. DemocracyMouse Jan 2018 #14

Wonder how few know what or where Wellstone ruled Jan 2018 #16

Mueller would not have a leg to stand on without this. sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Jan 2018 #10

Not true. The conversations picked up by surveillance were of RUSSIAN operatives. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #12

FISA not Patriot Act sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #20

Osama won. n/t Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #8

Yes, that was my point. He turned America into a police state... DemocracyMouse Jan 2018 #15

Didn't you have this same OP removed just yesterday? nt DURHAM D Jan 2018 #9

A variation was removed. Possibly because of my deeply expressed frustration DemocracyMouse Jan 2018 #17

FISA is about foreign nationals. I cant help it that Mike Flynn etc was caught conspiring with emulatorloo Jan 2018 #11

We could always spy on foreign operatives. The Patriot Act... Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #13

Democrats enabled the Repugs to eliminate warrants DemocracyMouse Jan 2018 #18

I agree. But don't suggest we not vote for Democrats, please. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #19

FISA came first sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #21