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LuckyCharms

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59. I see it ending well for Dems if they stand their ground.

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 01:07 PM

Jan 2018

We both know that we have no power. The fact that we have been able to stop the Republicans on this issue is amazing, even though it took a government shutdown. We have them on this issue. We took a stand. A lot of people don't seem to think so, but we have them by the balls, so to speak.

Ignore the noise, ignore all of the propaganda, ignore the "Schumer shut down talk", we have a chance to force their hand on DACA. If we squander that now, not only was this shut down damaging, it was for naught, and they will know we were unable to stick to our guns.

Schumer took a stand. When you take a stand, you should stick to it. Backing down after a reasonable stand is taken is showing weakness and invites bullying on other issues.

That being said, I have a feeling that a compromise will be made by the Dems. So they will kick DACA down the road until Feb 8 maybe, then it will get forgotten about with no legislation, and these dreamers will get even more ulcers.

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The Dems will get curb stomped until November if they back down. [View all] LuckyCharms Jan 2018 OP

Dems will win if everyone shows up at the polls... renegade000 Jan 2018 #1

Agree. but they will do terrible damage between now LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #2

True Cary Jan 2018 #3

Mistake made by so many in 2016. They cheered, rallied, donated & Wwcd Jan 2018 #42

Yep, what we need is every man and woman in this country to realize their LIVES Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #55

They have missed the whole point with talk like that. Wwcd Jan 2018 #68

We cannot count on radicals to be anything but radical Cary Jan 2018 #69

We have the numbers. pressbox69 Jan 2018 #4

Our numbers can beat their lies Cary Jan 2018 #70

Eyes on the prize moose65 Jan 2018 #76

Democrats are in Minority. What they've done here is raise DACA to top of mind for everyone. If Justice Jan 2018 #5

And the GOP will get what they want anyway. n/t LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #6

They won in 16. Elections have consequences...we had all those who whined about emails...Stein. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #11

I'm not blaming. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #17

How else will the shutdown end? Do you really believe the GOP will simple give us everything we Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #44

No, but what does work several million people throwing LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #46

+ a million. This exactly describes the problem of 2016 Wwcd Jan 2018 #47

In 2017, not one Dem amendment was allowed a vote in the Senate. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #7

What makes you think they will cave? They will simply paint us as the bad guys with some help Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #9

Who cares if they paint us as bad guys? LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #16

I don't disagree with you...what I am saying is it may not work...no matter what we do. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #45

My opinion is that it will work if the Dems stand strong... LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #50

Yes. McConnell said he "intends" to address DACA. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #19

Yeah I disagree...you have to face facts...we may not win this battle as we don't have the house, Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #8

You seem to think I am bashing Democrats. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #14

People have a pretty big misunderstanding of the moment Cosmocat Jan 2018 #31

Daca rso Jan 2018 #10

That seems right, but... LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #18

curb stomped, for those that dont know mopinko Jan 2018 #12

Yes. My entire opinion here is based on LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #20

its not about winning, a shutdown is about negotiations, certainly its not about "stopping" the GOP beachbum bob Jan 2018 #13

I'm very calm. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #15

If you are saying Democrats will hold their 'feet to the fire' and not vote...I say you are wrong. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #21

Well, either I lack reading comprehension or you LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #22

Blaming Democrats for things the GOP does...make other less likely to vote... and hurt Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #25

You're reading things into my OP that are not there. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #27

No shit workinclasszero Jan 2018 #58

Nobody attacked anybody. n/t LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #62

"The Dems will get curb stomped until November if they back down" workinclasszero Jan 2018 #64

Next time I'll make sure to present all possible sides of my argument LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #65

They have the power....we are trying. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #23

OK. Have a nice day. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #24

You too. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #26

Thanks. n/t LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #28

No, they won't and further Cosmocat Jan 2018 #29

The DACA can has been kicked down the road. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #30

Look - republicans are raging assholes Cosmocat Jan 2018 #35

Really? The difference in our opinions is that I believe that this can force their hands, LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #39

That is what I am hoping for too...I hope to God you are right...My blood runs cold when I think of Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #54

Because I live in reality Cosmocat Jan 2018 #66

Yes, I see. I still have the same opinion. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #67

It is my opinion that those of us that can need to take DACA kids into our homes and hide them much Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #49

I would take in a dreamer without a second thought. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #52

That is a good point. I would take Dreamers too. I don't know if Dems will hold or not...the Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #56

Unfortunately, it does not look like they will hold firm. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #61

According to Dana Bash, Dems are close to agreeing OliverQ Jan 2018 #32

I agree. Republicans have to be forced against a wall and not released... LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #34

I agree,more "if we play nicey nice so will Republicans"........... Bengus81 Jan 2018 #41

Yep. I was just sitting here wondering what bullshit excuse... LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #43

They'll compromise for CHIP and a promise to vote on immigration by Feb 8. sfwriter Jan 2018 #33

Spot on. If they give in... LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #36

T H I S ... Please people read THIS post Cosmocat Jan 2018 #37

I'm starting to think that Democrats miscalculated; this shutdown will hurt us more than GOP'ers member12 Jan 2018 #38

Human nature being what it is... LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #40

I know we are on the same side...and I don't disagree that backing down could harm our chances Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #53

I see it ending well for Dems if they stand their ground. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #59

What did we stop exactly? member12 Jan 2018 #73

Nothing, now. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #77

No.Thanks for the input...oh and welcome to DU for real. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #51

dems know the sacrifice and we are willing to make it samnsara Jan 2018 #48

Republicans didn't give a SHIT about the Military being shut down for 17 days in 2013 Bengus81 Jan 2018 #57

Exactly. LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #60

So do I MFM008 Jan 2018 #63

I wasn't happy when I heard Schumer put the wall on the table. Runningdawg Jan 2018 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Bengus81 Jan 2018 #72

I doubt it Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2018 #74

In this particular instance, Dems were in a lose-lose situation. Vinca Jan 2018 #75