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EffieBlack

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50. She told the dispatcher "They are refusing to make a purchase or leave"
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:09 PM
Apr 2018

The dispatcher immediately said she would send the police.

A few minutes later, another dispatcher said, "A group of males" was "refusing to leave." Then the next message was that "A group of males" is "causing a disturbance."

(Funny how average-sized black men have a funny way of growing several inches and dozens of pounds, "two gentlemen refusing to make a purchase" so quickly turn into a "group of males causing a disturbance.&quot

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/crime/philly-police-release-audio-of-911-call-from-philadelphia-starbucks-20180417.html

DU got sued several years ago under the claim that it was violating copyright laws. pnwmom Apr 2018 #1
Okey dokey, I removed it. Its a good read for anyone interested tulipsandroses Apr 2018 #2
I posted 4 paragraphs (the limit) in a different post down below. nt BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #6
The thing about trespassing laws ExciteBike66 Apr 2018 #3
And they can't apply the "trespasser" label selectively to exclude members of protected classes. tblue37 Apr 2018 #4
Of course that is true, as I noted. nt ExciteBike66 Apr 2018 #7
In the lunch counter sit-ins, the black patrons marybourg Apr 2018 #37
Discrimination is illegal so I would not consider Starbucks the 'victim'. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #17
Yes, but ExciteBike66 Apr 2018 #20
It wasn't trespass. This is a business which allows people to come and go...by your definition any Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #23
Not at all ExciteBike66 Apr 2018 #29
Yeah, they were asked to leave because they were Black...good thing Rosa Parks didn't Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #36
But hey, what's the big deal? They can always hire a lawyer and sue later. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #40
I got that...and you are so right. The cops botched it. But suing isn't as easy as people think Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #76
Exactly, any lawyer would have a field day with these cases where race was obviously Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #53
That would be interesting. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #75
And now they have an arrest record in some database. nt tblue37 Apr 2018 #60
And thank God, someone caught it on video that went viral EffieBlack Apr 2018 #68
This is true. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #74
It is no coincidence... Wounded Bear Apr 2018 #25
Yep ExciteBike66 Apr 2018 #30
The business that wants police to be its taxpayer-supported bouncers... Orsino Apr 2018 #38
So they should have a private guard who can toss people? ExciteBike66 Apr 2018 #39
The businesses pay taxes. So do the people who use the businesses. They have just as much right EffieBlack Apr 2018 #41
Yes, they should. Orsino Apr 2018 #43
Technically, Starbucks also pays for it. ExciteBike66 Apr 2018 #45
Yeah, police should respond to businesses who report unruly trespassers. Orsino Apr 2018 #46
From what I gather from the news, ExciteBike66 Apr 2018 #47
We are not hearing why they were asked to leave. Orsino Apr 2018 #48
She told the dispatcher "They are refusing to make a purchase or leave" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #50
Well, the bias dog-and-pony show was scheduled for a reason. Orsino Apr 2018 #55
What would you have the company do instead at this point? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #56
Shutting down for a day for training might be a good, or even great, start. Orsino Apr 2018 #57
Thank you for posting because I just found this article before I saw your post BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #5
Note corporate Starbucks' response. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #8
Exactly. BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #9
That's the mangers concept of it, not the CEOs. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #10
Right BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #11
Take this incident and multiply 200 million times. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #12
Yes I agree BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #13
The dictionary TCJ70 Apr 2018 #14
Starbucks invites people to loiter. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #15
Ok. Not sure what that has to do with my post... TCJ70 Apr 2018 #16
They were waiting for a friend which happens all the time in Starbucks...and is not big deal if you Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #18
Ok. Not sure what that has to do with my post... TCJ70 Apr 2018 #19
As a poor college student I often didn't buy much or anything during our study sessions...they had Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #24
Not everyone has the same standard... TCJ70 Apr 2018 #42
They became trespassers after they were asked to leave and refused Lee-Lee Apr 2018 #22
That is the law. Also wondering if police asked them to leave before arresting. Sneederbunk Apr 2018 #27
According to what I see the police did Lee-Lee Apr 2018 #33
Except a white woman came in during this time and requested the bathroom code without making a tblue37 Apr 2018 #63
In almost every state thats a simple answer Lee-Lee Apr 2018 #21
Hey Lee-Lee ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #49
It does apply. They are open to the public. It's not a public place JDC Apr 2018 #51
It's a private place open to members of the public EffieBlack Apr 2018 #61
I dont know if you just cant comprehend or are intentionally making stuff up Lee-Lee Apr 2018 #69
It is you who is having trouble comprehending,Boo, so let me break it down for you again EffieBlack Apr 2018 #72
Define arbitrary. JDC Apr 2018 #77
Fighting is different than trespassing EffieBlack Apr 2018 #78
I am saying it can absolutely be arbitrary JDC Apr 2018 #79
I am using the Starbucks case as a trump card because that is the topic of the discussion EffieBlack Apr 2018 #81
Yes Lee-Lee Apr 2018 #52
Pennsylvania law goes further EffieBlack Apr 2018 #62
A lawful condition of access includes the owners permission Lee-Lee Apr 2018 #71
No it does not EffieBlack Apr 2018 #73
Except that this was clearly a civil rights violation. The manager had no right to tblue37 Apr 2018 #64
What if this had happened at a restaurant? Generic Brad Apr 2018 #26
The business model of Starbucks is about hanging out Merlot Apr 2018 #28
I appreciate the explanation Generic Brad Apr 2018 #31
I've spent many hours in coffee houses Merlot Apr 2018 #32
Isn't the eventual expectation that when that person joins you, you'll buy something? RhodeIslandOne Apr 2018 #80
For some reason, lunch counters spring to mind. n/t Orsino Apr 2018 #58
Why would you be asked to leave if you were waiting for someone? mcar Apr 2018 #59
People do sit at restaurant tables and wait for friends before ordering. It is not unusual. nt tblue37 Apr 2018 #65
The origins of U.S.A.'s hyperreactive trespassing laws are racist. hunter Apr 2018 #34
THANK you! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #44
Finally, some sanity. Yes, just about everything seems traceable to racism. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #54
There are STILL sundown towns in the US. nt tblue37 Apr 2018 #66
Thank you BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #70
Unfortunately, the title of the article - is misleading- in my opinion tulipsandroses Apr 2018 #35
+ a brazillion. nt tblue37 Apr 2018 #67
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