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safeinOhio

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15. You might not get any hands raised if
Sun May 6, 2018, 09:59 AM
May 2018

you ask the same question to a graduate class of Cultural Anthropology students. They might ask you to define Black and White. Is a person from South India with darker skin than anyone else in the room Black? Is a person with pale skin and very curly hair White?
The problem for anthropologist is were do you make the cut.

If only we were all blind.

WOW.. Brilliant teaching moment....... pangaia May 2018 #1
:) I've learned the "kerfuffle" was apparently Hortensis May 2018 #45
K & R pazzyanne May 2018 #85
not so azureblue May 2018 #83
I'm a "she," not a "he" - speaking of classifications... EffieBlack May 2018 #89
Exactly. brush May 2018 #175
Here is the problem that you have pointed out in your exasperation BumRushDaShow May 2018 #128
my dog has egg farts populistdriven May 2018 #197
K&R. Perfect. WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #2
The only ridicule should be for people who use inane slang like wypipo mythology May 2018 #3
Whoosh! EffieBlack May 2018 #4
Ha! paleotn May 2018 #29
Here's one problem Roy Rolling May 2018 #71
DU isn't a legal document ... we say lots of things here that have no legal import EffieBlack May 2018 #97
Oh, my word! brer cat May 2018 #107
Boom sheshe2 May 2018 #176
I'm with you Plucketeer May 2018 #115
There's a good reason for us to not use it loyalsister May 2018 #116
Wow...such hostility over a simple descriptive word. Demsrule86 May 2018 #27
Agree! Why get so upset? Life is too short as it is. Whether the term "catches " or not will be up Thekaspervote May 2018 #202
Yep...and they make fun of our old fashioned slang. Demsrule86 May 2018 #206
Oh, good lord.... paleotn May 2018 #33
Lemme whitesplain it for you wellst0nev0ter May 2018 #73
That left a mark. egduj May 2018 #169
Strawman wildeyed May 2018 #191
Excellent essay. Thank you! NurseJackie May 2018 #5
Very insightful. salin May 2018 #6
Sounds like your white students thought "It's 'normal' to be white." MineralMan May 2018 #7
Yes EffieBlack May 2018 #10
Exactly. MineralMan May 2018 #14
This is why neighborhoods are often segregated even today. Demsrule86 May 2018 #26
Some neighborhoods, anyway. Not mine. MineralMan May 2018 #35
My new neighborhood is diverse...people of all colors and nationalities...but the burbs in Ohio Demsrule86 May 2018 #55
Agree - but Demsrule is right EffieBlack May 2018 #58
Well, if that were the case, my neighborhood would be a Hmong neighborhood. MineralMan May 2018 #124
That never happens in Burnsville wellst0nev0ter May 2018 #75
I'm sorry to hear that. MineralMan May 2018 #125
White privilege. They view other people as "the other" and themselves as "people". Implication Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #16
Exactly what I was thinking MaryMagdaline May 2018 #53
Just out of curiosity.... MicaelS May 2018 #131
The only one that counts ... eating bad food MaryMagdaline May 2018 #140
YUCK. n/t MicaelS May 2018 #142
ding! ding! ding! ding! ding! TheSmarterDog May 2018 #167
they are mercuryblues May 2018 #228
I'm white (honky, bumpkin, whitey, etc.) True Dough May 2018 #8
I am a white person. Cracklin Charlie May 2018 #9
I'm with you. The first time I saw the word, I recognized it, and MineralMan May 2018 #17
I agree...I had to wait and have it explained to me as I didn't recognize what the word came from... Demsrule86 May 2018 #23
Woah... sheshe2 May 2018 #178
I think I said "a bunch of people" MineralMan May 2018 #180
... sheshe2 May 2018 #183
+++ sheshe2 May 2018 #226
Sometimes, a little discomfort is a good thing. MineralMan May 2018 #227
Correct. sheshe2 May 2018 #229
I think it is funny too... Demsrule86 May 2018 #24
I had not heard it either and had the same reaction. It's so funny. I'm happy to be a wypipo. OregonBlue May 2018 #77
Add me wryter2000 May 2018 #174
Me too and I catch myself thinking like wypipo and I'm embarrassed and so glad no one can read OregonBlue May 2018 #221
I wondered what that meant. ananda May 2018 #11
Great teaching "experiment". Should happen to all white people some time, teen years prob best. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #12
THANK YOU! Wish everyone would LISTEN to you. OneGrassRoot May 2018 #13
You might not get any hands raised if safeinOhio May 2018 #15
You are conflating a discussion with a label. 58Sunliner May 2018 #18
Anybody want to take this one? EffieBlack May 2018 #19
Intersting that you know you have a possie that can speak for you. wasupaloopa May 2018 #40
I find your response here... tonedevil May 2018 #113
You are good at the game wasupaloopa May 2018 #150
At this point.. tonedevil May 2018 #155
You identify Blacks by race everyday...when you use the term Black or White....that is a label... Demsrule86 May 2018 #21
Reread the last paragraph of the OP. salin May 2018 #28
How do you feel about a Jewish person referring to the goyim? Demit May 2018 #30
For fear of some pejorative coming my way, LakeArenal May 2018 #47
Where did I call you a racist or "make" a new label for you? EffieBlack May 2018 #54
I think you are looking for an arguement. LakeArenal May 2018 #60
No. Just asking you to explain something YOU said EffieBlack May 2018 #62
Whoosh!!!! LakeArenal May 2018 #64
You litteraly came into... tonedevil May 2018 #117
I don't have to explain anything to you or anyone. LakeArenal May 2018 #121
Can you point to a single remark... tonedevil May 2018 #123
You are almost commical with your word bait LakeArenal May 2018 #208
You are delusional... tonedevil May 2018 #210
Rick Santorum already trademarked that word wellst0nev0ter May 2018 #79
Funny how we often talk about folks who belong to "minorities". Tom Rinaldo May 2018 #104
Soon, every group will be a minority - including white people. TheSmarterDog May 2018 #170
There is another term that comes to mind here. ehrnst May 2018 #109
I speak for myself only, but you apparently think in racist terms. 58Sunliner May 2018 #137
Yes, you absolutely speak for yourself. ehrnst May 2018 #168
It's a label used in comedy, and in comedy, it's OK to "punch up" but not to "punch down" gollygee May 2018 #112
Seems to me those offended sheshe2 May 2018 #179
What a fantastic teaching exercise. Demsrule86 May 2018 #20
K&R This is a wonderful OP BlueIndyBlue May 2018 #22
I LOVE this post! EffieBlack May 2018 #32
Very well said..... paleotn May 2018 #44
You nailed it! radical noodle May 2018 #120
I learned this lesson when I had just moved to Miami. Demit May 2018 #25
Exactly! EffieBlack May 2018 #36
K&R Gothmog May 2018 #31
I think you are wrong. So many of the replys in that thread went "I'm white but ................." wasupaloopa May 2018 #34
They identified themselves as white to help show that the term is not offensive EffieBlack May 2018 #41
I have to disagree with you. I take it you do not live in my skin as I don't live in wasupaloopa May 2018 #49
We appreciate all the work you do wellst0nev0ter May 2018 #86
The point I would like to make is that the most popularly accepted "truths" here aren't truths at wasupaloopa May 2018 #147
If you are going to disagree... tonedevil May 2018 #119
Say I lived through a certain event that took place many years ago. But today the majority of wasupaloopa May 2018 #149
No one can put you in a box until you let them. haele May 2018 #223
So why do I say I'm white? Boomer May 2018 #51
Exactly. betsuni May 2018 #37
I noticed that I was doing this subconsciously years ago when... TheDebbieDee May 2018 #38
Yes, White Male is the "norm" and RandomAccess May 2018 #39
Thanks EffieBlack May 2018 #43
Exactly -- which is why RandomAccess May 2018 #67
Bingo. paleotn May 2018 #46
Wasn't online for a few days. Had to do a Bing search to find what "wypipo" means. Petrushka May 2018 #42
Thanks, now I see what Wypipo means, its a new twitter word I imagine as- Sunlei May 2018 #105
. . . Petrushka May 2018 #207
hehehe! good one Petrushka :P Sunlei May 2018 #230
Wypipo Reminds me of the KKK phone greeting Howard Stern used to play JunkYardDogg May 2018 #48
good post, I feel like I'm out of societies classroom lecture loop- what is a "wypipo"? Sunlei May 2018 #50
"Top 10 Ways Black People Keep Racism Alive According to Wypipo" EffieBlack May 2018 #52
Hey! Thief! ProudLib72 May 2018 #69
This is from the author of: "Why I Could Never Vote For Hillary Clinton" oberliner May 2018 #122
And? EffieBlack May 2018 #129
And he also wrote: "The Democratic Party Is Not Our Friend" oberliner May 2018 #133
And? EffieBlack May 2018 #134
15th time they posted this in ALL the threads. sheshe2 May 2018 #181
Your Hillary Clinton avatar is inspiring oberliner May 2018 #199
Gonna have to dust off my list of logical fallacies. wildeyed May 2018 #193
There is no logical argument being offered oberliner May 2018 #200
Trying to discredit the argument by discrediting the source. wildeyed May 2018 #222
And he also wrote: "White people don't give a fuck" oberliner May 2018 #198
Ok. EffieBlack May 2018 #205
Shouldn't he have said, "Wypipo don't give a fuck."? Petrushka May 2018 #209
clear, concise nt heaven05 May 2018 #56
Recent example of Wypipo Boomer May 2018 #57
I'm not sure that's exactly right sweetloukillbot May 2018 #110
Very insightful. Thanks!... paleotn May 2018 #59
Yes I'm white and I should be identified as such because I am! If I need to use race to identify Kirk Lover May 2018 #61
Thanks. But read up again on "Wypipo" - it isn't limited to animal rights activists. EffieBlack May 2018 #63
See ya orangecrush May 2018 #65
I dunno. I just sort of shrugged the whole thing off. Mister Ed May 2018 #66
For the record I am fine with Wypipo MaryMagdaline May 2018 #68
The responses to Wypipo from certain, presumably white People, is fucking embarrassing to me* ismnotwasm May 2018 #70
good posting Civic Justice May 2018 #94
I have not posted on DU in a while and I won't Madampiece Theater May 2018 #72
Thank you as well, Madampiece Theater MaryMagdaline May 2018 #82
Thank YOU Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #114
I've written on many websites.... Civic Justice May 2018 #74
An excellent read. We all need to be discussing these matters, but yes, whites especially n/t Tom Rinaldo May 2018 #127
Not much in society takes that "giant leap forward", until... Civic Justice May 2018 #164
Thank you for this cagefreesoylentgreen May 2018 #76
Thank you cp May 2018 #78
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2018 #80
That pretty much sums it up. BumRushDaShow May 2018 #81
Very good story to illustrate different attitudes Johnny2X2X May 2018 #84
Effie, Thank you. Tom Rinaldo May 2018 #87
Good post!!!! Civic Justice May 2018 #102
Effie, you are a treasure Maeve May 2018 #88
Thank you for your very interesting and insightful post. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #90
A couple years ago I had a class that decided to seat themselves along racial lines ProudLib72 May 2018 #91
I absolutely think that's true. Adrahil May 2018 #92
Some white liberals get uncomfortable when someone points out they are less-than-perfect Tarc May 2018 #93
A Jewish friend of mine in Boston says he's never seen as much racism sweetloukillbot May 2018 #111
I'm old enough to remember forced busing... MicaelS May 2018 #136
It's still there cagefreesoylentgreen May 2018 #138
"Forced busing" is a loaded term, conjured up by anti-desegregation forces EffieBlack May 2018 #141
Never knew that. MicaelS May 2018 #145
This goes to the OPs' point. We had kids bused in from the city Tarc May 2018 #156
To add an interesting analogy BumRushDaShow May 2018 #95
It's wrong to slap dehumanizing and derisive labels on anyone. procon May 2018 #96
It is simply disrespectful to use slang words to describe people, no matter their color, gender, Doodley May 2018 #135
Interesting assumption you make... SharonClark May 2018 #98
I know it because we talked about it. EffieBlack May 2018 #103
You're exactly right radical noodle May 2018 #139
Exactly! EffieBlack May 2018 #144
The larger question BannonsLiver May 2018 #151
I have acquaintances who have never met me in person EffieBlack May 2018 #154
I'm not white either. Your analysis is spot-on mainer May 2018 #99
Effie, you are a wonderful writer mcar May 2018 #100
I don't think a term few have even heard of, warrants all this G_j May 2018 #101
This kerfluffle :) should (maybe still can) create an opportunity for dialogue loyalsister May 2018 #106
Great post. White person here. KPN May 2018 #108
I don't see "color-blind" as the goal Boomer May 2018 #118
This an AMAZING post! EffieBlack May 2018 #143
The thanks is all mine Boomer May 2018 #171
++++ sheshe2 May 2018 #194
Outstanding post, Boomer. brer cat May 2018 #148
Trying to justify yet another race-based slang word is pretty ridiculous. Doodley May 2018 #126
Not sure what that has to do with the point of my OP. But ok. EffieBlack May 2018 #130
I read the first paragraph, the second paragraph, the last paragraph and everything in between. What Doodley May 2018 #132
Wouldn't your friends and acquaintances know you are black? BannonsLiver May 2018 #146
Not in this instance EffieBlack May 2018 #152
African-Americans, women, LGBQT, Muslims meadowlander May 2018 #153
I'd surmise that those groups "self identify" out of a need for support & community Tarc May 2018 #158
What's your point? Cary May 2018 #157
If you can't see the point in my very thoughtfully written OP, I doubt any further explanation EffieBlack May 2018 #159
I have until now because I expected that my point of view would be summarily Cary May 2018 #162
Most seem to agree it's a racial slur. Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #160
How are you defining "Most?" EffieBlack May 2018 #161
Counting. Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #163
Thank you for the alt-right talking point Tarc May 2018 #188
+1 fleabiscuit May 2018 #195
Does it matter if you're in the South? catrose May 2018 #165
Let's Dance -Chris Rea jalan48 May 2018 #166
K&R TheSmarterDog May 2018 #172
My reaction as a white person wryter2000 May 2018 #173
And the point is what? NNadir May 2018 #177
Uh... what? fleabiscuit May 2018 #196
You were/are one hell of a teacher. sheshe2 May 2018 #182
The 2017 Wypipo Awards XRubicon May 2018 #184
Thank you for a very insightful post. Nonhlanhla May 2018 #185
"black" describes a shared cultural experience, while "white" does not. redgreenandblue May 2018 #186
I disagree. Whites do have a shared cultural experience, called privilege. kwassa May 2018 #214
True! EffieBlack May 2018 #216
Simplistic. guillaumeb May 2018 #187
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2018 #189
Drat! I've been caught red-handed! EffieBlack May 2018 #190
If you're bothered by the term wypipo wildeyed May 2018 #192
I choose to not use derogatory labels Soxfan58 May 2018 #201
Kick EffieBlack May 2018 #203
Kicked and recced. (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #204
Every time a DUer feels uncomfortable by something posted here IronLionZion May 2018 #211
Interesting: LeftInTX May 2018 #212
But this wasn't about being proud or not. It was just a description. EffieBlack May 2018 #213
Really impressive teaching method. Kentonio May 2018 #215
From your posts, I guess that you were a member of the bar Gothmog May 2018 #217
Haha - yes, I am EffieBlack May 2018 #218
We had to use blue books in my day Gothmog May 2018 #219
The only thing worse than writing in blue books EffieBlack May 2018 #220
Excellent post! geardaddy May 2018 #224
his is the best breakdown i've seen in here so far NatBurner May 2018 #225
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