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calimary

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45. This whole sordid era keeps underscoring something
Sun May 6, 2018, 12:58 PM
May 2018

I regret that I’ve been compelled to conclude. I keep coming back to what to me is the uncomfortable bottom line about trump supporters:

“Then what does that say about THEM?”

A friend who voted for trump while justifying “oh, I WANT a woman president. Just not THAT woman!” - once lectured me: “you have to understand these voters!” As though there were something high-minded about their horrifyingly tragic WILLFUL ignorance (even PROUD ignorance: “I know what I know! So go away and stop arguing with me!”). Or that there was something really noble and “heartland-American” about what I’d begun to suspect was a deep seated racism and misogyny and resentment for being forced to share “their” America with “the Other”. And, I feared, that “Other” president.

A while ago I began to suspect that the hatred and/or resentment of Barack Obama’s rise all the way to the White House was a deep-down inner disgust that there was a black guy in the Oval Office and he wasn’t the janitor. I spent a long time trying to beat back that suspicion. “No,” I told myself. “Couldn’t be that. These are those noble hard-scrapple ‘heartland’ Americans, simple, salt-of-the-Earth ‘God-fearing’ churchgoing folks who call it like it is, and just are misunderstood or so perennially beaten down and...”

And blah-blah-blah.

Bullshit! I was right about them the first time. That indeed WAS their problem. They really did hate the idea that there was a black guy in the Oval Office and he wasn’t the janitor. And, later on, they were hellbent on making sure there wouldn’t be a woman in the Oval Office who wasn’t the cleaning lady.

You totally nail it here, Nance. This IS what they are and who they are. And as we’ve seen many times by now, many of ‘em are out ‘n’ proud about it, too. This is America’s dirty little secret.

THEY are America’s dirty little secret. All they’ve done, as all this time has gone by, is to reconfirm that, over and over again.

“Heart”land America my ass.

We Just Didn't Know [View all] NanceGreggs May 2018 OP
Brava, Nance! Perfectly put. CaliforniaPeggy May 2018 #1
It is right on except that it neglects the effects of over forty years of propaganda. olegramps May 2018 #29
Ever since Nixon/Agnew... regnaD kciN May 2018 #43
Well stated. Ligyron May 2018 #69
Yes but left out: Some enormously failed to realize WHAT WE WOULD LOSE. Hortensis May 2018 #53
You did it again. Bravo!!!! Wellstone ruled May 2018 #2
great post........... Takket May 2018 #3
The t-RUMP pResidency will ruin more friendships NoMoreRepugs May 2018 #4
Excellent, Nance, as always. I agree with everything except that lunamagica May 2018 #5
Yes, they knew ... NanceGreggs May 2018 #6
and selfishness n/t orleans May 2018 #9
And bigotry EffieBlack May 2018 #79
Oh hell yes! rusty quoin May 2018 #7
Just a pleasure to read. Thank you Pepsidog May 2018 #8
K&R MustLoveBeagles May 2018 #10
Definitely a mistake we won't make again. PatrickforO May 2018 #11
as long as the dem party and progressive orgs continue to ignore talk radio it can happen again certainot May 2018 #72
I knew. BigmanPigman May 2018 #12
Agreed Sherman A1 May 2018 #20
I'm with you, BP. I was immediately terrified that Trump would indeed win -- he Nay May 2018 #49
The thing is that all of the elements BigmanPigman May 2018 #57
Oh, no question. 2018 will be the test -- if Dems don't sweep the elections, we'll Nay May 2018 #64
Be prepared for it mentally and emotionally... BigmanPigman May 2018 #66
Even though I'm a cynical monster and thought Trump could surely win considering Nay May 2018 #67
That is a good plan. Definitely spend as much time away BigmanPigman May 2018 #68
Propaganda played a role, but propaganda only grows in fertile soil EffieBlack May 2018 #80
Oh, no doubt about that. There are, and always have been, authoritarian/racist/sexist Nay May 2018 #86
Count me in. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #56
Your best post ever ...... amazingly ACCURATE secondwind May 2018 #13
"We just didn't know that the bigots and racists who lurk among us were so anxious to be recognized" Gidney N Cloyd May 2018 #14
K&R smirkymonkey May 2018 #15
Part of me Meowmee May 2018 #16
I just watched Fran Lebowitz interviewed, said about the Trump win betsuni May 2018 #17
As often noted: HALF of all Americans/people in general... maddiemom May 2018 #22
Yes, they are very happy that they can flaunt their racism and bigotry now. nt Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #24
Trump is a symptom, not the disease Martin Eden May 2018 #18
Precisely Sherman A1 May 2018 #21
My favorite line: "We just didn't know Bluepinky May 2018 #19
I wish I was as confident as you. Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #23
Great post Nance Gothmog May 2018 #25
Excellent. .. defacto7 May 2018 #26
We had no idea people would actually vote for this lying fraud - in the millions. yallerdawg May 2018 #27
We need to tell ourselves again and again. We suspended our disbelief. nolabear May 2018 #28
Nance...for me, I just didn't know how much they hated other Americans Fresh_Start May 2018 #30
And to add to that, pazzyanne May 2018 #36
k&r BSdetect May 2018 #31
K & R pazzyanne May 2018 #32
As always, Nance Greggs puts out there Funtatlaguy May 2018 #33
We just didn't know: how effective the complicity of FB/CA and Russian propagandists Fiendish Thingy May 2018 #34
Or how effective the media would be in helping tRump by convincing everyone... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #55
More eyes are opened now Politicub May 2018 #35
K & R pazzyanne May 2018 #37
K&R 100 times BlueJac May 2018 #38
K&R cp May 2018 #39
First chance we get we take down those so called "evangelists" and cripple their money network. sunonmars May 2018 #40
I still don't accept the idea that we actually lost jimlup May 2018 #41
Well, when it comes right down to it Haggis for Breakfast May 2018 #71
I think it went still deeper jimlup May 2018 #75
Such a powerful piece ladym55 May 2018 #42
This! EffieBlack May 2018 #81
Kick dalton99a May 2018 #44
This whole sordid era keeps underscoring something calimary May 2018 #45
Outstanding post k&r n/t lordsummerisle May 2018 #46
Trump supporters are idiots and racists Gothmog May 2018 #47
And as this administration continues to increase its powers and destroys our country kimbutgar May 2018 #48
Very well put... Marty Marzipan May 2018 #50
Nance, some knew saidsimplesimon May 2018 #51
Well said. nancy1942 May 2018 #52
When did this happen that "We convinced ourselves that despite our political differences... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #54
They chose to believe the lies about a woman The Wizard May 2018 #58
K&R Scurrilous May 2018 #59
Yup ismnotwasm May 2018 #60
Great as always, Nance! Different Drummer May 2018 #61
"Trump Voters Driven by Fear of Losing Status, Not Economic Anxiety, Study Finds" NastyRiffraff May 2018 #62
We're STILL being told that EffieBlack May 2018 #82
You're right; I shouldn't have used the past tense. NastyRiffraff May 2018 #85
Nailed it! rock May 2018 #63
You had me until the very last sentence Mr. Ected May 2018 #65
Sadly, we did not know catrose May 2018 #70
We just didn't know so many people would give Russia a walk. nt Ilsa May 2018 #73
A huge part of the anti-Hillary narrative was "we just didn't know," even though it was never StevieM May 2018 #74
YES! EffieBlack May 2018 #83
Right on! Kath2 May 2018 #76
We didn't know........... MyOwnPeace May 2018 #77
Brilliant, as usual, Nance! EffieBlack May 2018 #78
Fool me once? Shame on ... shame on ... you ... fool me ... can't get fooled again! (nt) mr_lebowski May 2018 #84
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