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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
50. Lol to #5, but yes. We are basically in agreement.
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:42 AM
May 2018

But still don't like the idea that we "indulged" the right. More like we couldn't stop them. It's not that many educated, and many powerful, Democrats didn't see it happening and try, but there are huge limits to what we can control. I always wish people would ask, "Is this me I'm describing?" You and I both know the answer for ourselves is, "Hell, no!" No numbers, of course, but I don't really doubt that goes for most other voters on the left.

Although I agree with your thirds evaluation too, there are various ways this pie can be sliced for evaluation depending on factors considered. Just looking at the huge factor of underlying personality, though, that's basically conservative and liberal. Our large broken center was made up of moderates of both types; researchers say there's no "moderate" personality type.

But in any case, today's government corruption and dangerous instability are overwhelmingly caused by conservatives and the fight against the growth of corruption in government, business, and the minds of voters is overwhelmingly coming from liberals. (Btw, the Repubs have not been able to completely destroy our recent banking reforms, some of which still constrain business, and the ACA, though taking heavy hits, is currently mostly functioning at intended.) Yes, though, in hindsight we could and should always have done more, better, sooner.

Above all, Democrats by the millions should have become aware, alarmed and -- somehow -- managed to stop and reverse the intensely destructive influence on democracy of soaring wealth accumulating in new ultrawealthy classes. It's not that it's not happened before and we haven't been forced to stop and defeat it back before. But neither have we been in a position before where technology caused wealth to quadruple over 30 years and at the same time gave the newly ultrawealthy new information technology tools and knowledge to twist nearly 100 million voters to serve them. They also had the advantage this time of hindsight in realizing over 40 years ago now that, in order to hold onto and continue to grow their wealth and power, they had to first divide the electorate so we couldn't form majorities to stop them. I wouldn't describe this weakness, large indifference among the electorate until it exploded in our faces, and failure indulgence, though. That implies a degree of complicity that goes beyond mere normal fecklessness. Like you I've watched it happen since the "Reagan revolution" and not felt the least indulgent.

In my house, heartburn is what happens when you realize you're literally jumping up and down in rage in front of the TV because some conservatives, who no doubt voted for 45 years of tax cuts, are expressing society's humble gratitude for billionaire charity gifts to their embattled state college.



The gop frauds deserve every thing we throw at them. Treason infects many of them. BSdetect May 2018 #1
Let's not overlook the stunning fact that all Solomon May 2018 #34
Yes! Victor_c3 May 2018 #40
30 years of the phony walll-to-wall investigations with 0 indictments would Hortensis May 2018 #2
To say nothing about their reopening the investigations on Hillary. pazzyanne May 2018 #20
Just be glad they can't stone her in the street. Hortensis May 2018 #37
In this country indulge is them every GD time Cosmocat May 2018 #43
They ARE half this country, though, Cosmo. There's no "indulgence." Hortensis May 2018 #44
Replies Cosmocat May 2018 #47
Lol to #5, but yes. We are basically in agreement. Hortensis May 2018 #50
In all fairness NewJeffCT May 2018 #51
And in fairness, Whitewater should never have been about the Clintons. Hortensis May 2018 #52
Wow pretty startling coming from Dowd Pepsidog May 2018 #3
No kidding. calimary May 2018 #5
Actually I confused Matthew Dowd with Kevin Dowd Maureen's Brother Pepsidog May 2018 #6
But Matthew Dowd has his own issues calimary May 2018 #7
Proof positive the DEEP STATE ... Martin Eden May 2018 #4
Yup, that will be what the response is. dameatball May 2018 #22
That's exactly it. progressoid May 2018 #32
And it ain't over! Fritz Walter May 2018 #8
"Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic"... LMAO! lambchopp59 May 2018 #9
At least the Titanic had a band Haggis for Breakfast May 2018 #38
K&R Scurrilous May 2018 #10
Simple - those associated with Clinton were genuine witch hunts malaise May 2018 #11
And they're not done bitching about it yet! SergeStorms May 2018 #12
They live in their own made up reality malaise May 2018 #13
I still see people online who are calling for investigation of the Uranium One deal even though Arkansas Granny May 2018 #29
The first one lasted 8 years and cost $100 Million taxpayer dollars Major Nikon May 2018 #14
Who do you think got most of that money malaise May 2018 #23
Law firms closely allied with the GOP Major Nikon May 2018 #26
Nicely stated malaise May 2018 #27
They always were. joshcryer May 2018 #45
Stunning and true NastyRiffraff May 2018 #15
Really.. something done right takes time.. the longer it's taking Cha May 2018 #42
As the cowardly lion said: "Ain't it the truth! Ain't it the truth!" Lots of cowards... NNadir May 2018 #16
Thanks, I'm going to be using the that gem a lot. marble falls May 2018 #17
Battle Stations... SayItLoud May 2018 #18
Witch hunt, indeed rock May 2018 #19
wow Demovictory9 May 2018 #21
Gee, I wonder who the real criminals are in this picture? Initech May 2018 #24
Thanks for reminding us of these facts. It does get hard to keep perspective with the shitstorm Nitram May 2018 #25
That's why the repubs want these investigations shut down. Turbineguy May 2018 #28
You could be onto something there. Arkansas Granny May 2018 #30
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2018 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author progressoid May 2018 #33
Now THAT'S perspective! nt Honeycombe8 May 2018 #35
drumpf's always thumping his chest about the best numbers. yonder May 2018 #36
whitewater. all they got was a blow job. pansypoo53219 May 2018 #39
Reality, baby! Cha May 2018 #41
Fake News FAAAKE NEEEWS!!!! That is all the Democrats can do. N/T with a bit of sarcasm for flavor jimmil May 2018 #46
Another DU gem I'll repeat duhneece May 2018 #48
Yes, it's a good piece of info to keep on hand. Arkansas Granny May 2018 #49
k and r...nt...for exposure. Stuart G May 2018 #53
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