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PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
50. I have a story...that may take some people out
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 07:38 PM
Jun 2018

of their comfort zone.

Background: I'm a white male, now aged 59 years. I'm educated and have been incredibly lucky in my life career wise and also family wise.

OK, so now the story:

Many years ago, when in my late twenties, I was a youth service worker for a summer youth employment program. This means that I managed cases of kids who were between 14 and 18, mostly, who had never worked and wanted a summer job. So, they would work half-time in a federal government subsidized 'job' called a 'work experience' that was designed to give them just that - some good work experience in a job they otherwise wouldn't be able to touch on their own. These were decent positions with local governments, mostly. We had kids working in animal shelters, in school bus barns, in libraries, and in offices. The other half of the day was spent in school - we at the time used a mastery learning system developed by Bob Taggart.

One the of the best worksites we had was in a city government building maintenance office. It was one of the best, not because of the work - basically general building maintenance - but because of the supervisor, a black man named W who was amazing with the kids. I mean, this guy was incredible. He really understood what we were trying to do with the young people and he really helped many kids over the time I worked with him (until Newt's lock-step House basically ended this program in 1995). At the time, W was in his late forties, probably, or maybe early fifties.

Anyway, I did a lot of driving, especially on days when I'd pick up timesheets so we could pay the kids, and I always liked to visit W.

So one day, I dropped by his office to pick up a kid's timesheet. This was maybe halfway through my day, and I still had a bunch of stops to make.

W asked me if I'd like to have lunch, and I replied, no I can't, I've got a bunch more stops - sorry.

The smile fled W's face and he backed up a step. Said he 'understood.'

I looked at him puzzled, and then with horror realized that he thought I refused because I didn't want to break bread with a black man. That wasn't the case at all, though, and I'd have been happy to have lunch on another day with him. But I didn't say anything because his face had clouded over, closed.

I've felt bad about that for many years now, because it was genuinely a misunderstanding. But be mindful - W was maybe 50 at the time and the year was maybe 1990. So he'd been born during the Jim Crow era and had lived it. He had seen the movement, the freedom riders, the heros who marched across Pettus bridge into vicious dogs, fire hoses and truncheon wielding cops. That was some sick shit, and I'm positive he had been singled out before by racists and had probably suffered because of it.

W is long gone now, and it is me - in my late fifties - telling this story.

If I had it to do over again, knowing what I know now, I would have said, "W, I didn't say 'no' because you're black and I don't want to break bread with you. I said 'no' because I have a bunch more stops to make and I'm in a hurry. Can we take a raincheck?"

I have a feeling that if I'd said that, things could have been OK, but I didn't. I was in my twenties, maybe just 30, and I'm so sorry that I was too freaked out at the time and let this stand. And I'm not blaming W for having a strong reaction, either. He is (was) who he is (was) and was a child of his time and his place of upbringing - which I don't know where.

But I would have been happy to have lunch with him. He turned so many young lives around with his excellent supervision and mentoring that it wasn't even funny. I mean, some of those kids, who came from very poor often dysfunctional families, are now leaders in the community, and I have a feeling that W played a big part in that.

My own take? Well, it is easy to self-justify, wring my hands and simply regret it. W is probably dead now, or quite elderly, and I have no idea where he is. The funny thing is, I've had a pretty solid career and I've genuinely tried to be a good person, to make the world a better place because I've lived. But this one little thing goes with about three or four other little things that are genuine regrets. I have often wished I could live that moment over, and say, "Sure, let's go!"

But I can't.

I agree, even working in a very liberal leaning industry in NYC a few of my coworkers over the years bettyellen Jun 2018 #1
Thank you bettyellen. Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #2
I think a lot of people aren't noticing the self segregation they're part of, more so with men. bettyellen Jun 2018 #3
I couldn't have said it better. Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #6
You already have w this OP, BB. People need to reflect and realize that reflection is not a punish- bettyellen Jun 2018 #9
You get it. Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #17
K&R: Thank you, Baitball Blogger sheshe2 Jun 2018 #4
well said. WhiteTara Jun 2018 #5
What is the point of starting another thread on this? oberliner Jun 2018 #7
Some people might find it interesting. I did. DanTex Jun 2018 #12
As did I happy feet Jun 2018 #22
I am glad you asked that, I wont interact with certain people here myself. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #29
Yeah, I've experienced that with someone *ahem* AllyCat Jun 2018 #43
It appears to be a hot issue and someone may have seen something that they Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #14
Membership and reading threads is voluntary Starry Messenger Jun 2018 #20
+++ sheshe2 Jun 2018 #35
I liked BB's response... sheshe2 Jun 2018 #34
what is the point DonCoquixote Jun 2018 #41
Right? AllyCat Jun 2018 #44
I have read white people can't see the minority view treestar Jun 2018 #8
POC find it very useful. Sometimes humor is the only sane choice. bettyellen Jun 2018 #10
THANK YOU Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #30
I don't want to denigrate anyone treestar Jun 2018 #67
I'm sorry but if you're asking POC (or women) to fall in line to please the GOP I'm going to get bettyellen Jun 2018 #68
How does using a race based word help create the changes you want? procon Jun 2018 #11
We are coming from two sides of an issue and there won't be a meeting in the Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #15
This, and Skidmore Jun 2018 #24
so it's shock therapy for our benefit? elehhhhna Jun 2018 #49
Please show me where that was said here to a specific DUer? sheshe2 Jun 2018 #55
OK, but what then is goal of calling other people a race based insult? procon Jun 2018 #27
I don't see white Americans showing any interest in this issue. Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #32
You're fighting alone, if you look around, you have lots of company. procon Jun 2018 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2018 #28
should have acknowledgement heaven05 Jun 2018 #26
+++ sheshe2 Jun 2018 #39
If a white person can't say "Wypipo" fast three times and not laugh... hunter Jun 2018 #13
LOL. Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #16
You seem to be saying that personal anecdotes justify BaileyBill Jun 2018 #18
title should be heaven05 Jun 2018 #31
My experiences are real to me. Calling them anecdotes is an attempt to diffuse Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #33
You all realize this is only a thing on DU, right? Nt B2G Jun 2018 #19
And I like it! hunter Jun 2018 #21
I've had a few racists on FB get mad when I use the term. AllyCat Jun 2018 #45
No it isn't gollygee Jun 2018 #54
Have you never... tonedevil Jun 2018 #57
Untrue. (nt) Heidi Jun 2018 #64
+++ well said heaven05 Jun 2018 #23
++ There's a lot less hatred behind Wypipo or even Honkie, than what a lot of Wypipo have Hoyt Jun 2018 #25
Honkie, every time I see that word I laugh, because I hear Gorge Jefferson saying it. StTimofEdenRoc Jun 2018 #38
If you have something to say, and want it to be heard, why would you use this term? StTimofEdenRoc Jun 2018 #36
Wypipo are whites who fail to live up to human expectation AllyCat Jun 2018 #46
#notallwypipo elehhhhna Jun 2018 #51
If a POC on a discussion board brings up race and your response is "Oh, not THIS shit again!" EffieBlack Jun 2018 #52
That whole human expectation thing AllyCat Jun 2018 #56
If someone ignores you... tonedevil Jun 2018 #59
In the example, I would have greeted them warmly. StTimofEdenRoc Jun 2018 #60
For me that speaks to... tonedevil Jun 2018 #70
"my daughter calls, an assault hello" I like that term StTimofEdenRoc Jun 2018 #71
It is really satisfying... tonedevil Jun 2018 #72
Sometimes people don't say "hello" because they're near-sighted FakeNoose Jun 2018 #37
error_overflow Sailor65x1 Jun 2018 #40
Perfect code. Wrong output LearnedHand Jun 2018 #53
Dude, really? Sailor65x1 Jun 2018 #63
It is funny LearnedHand Jun 2018 #65
Well said B.B. AllyCat Jun 2018 #42
Thank-you for sharing. Chemisse Jun 2018 #48
I have a story...that may take some people out PatrickforO Jun 2018 #50
I feel your anguish, PfO LearnedHand Jun 2018 #66
Understanding flows two ways TCJ70 Jun 2018 #58
Every race-based insult has a community where it accepted and often encouraged. egduj Jun 2018 #61
You're the first user of the word to at least acknowledge that is a race based insult... TCJ70 Jun 2018 #62
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2018 #69
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