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LiberalLovinLug

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176. The DLC and the Third Way as a policy, were tied to the hips.
Mon Jul 23, 2018, 03:25 PM
Jul 2018

But one was a steering committee and one was/is a school of thought. So you are technically correct. A think tank cannot become a policy.

But the DLC died in name only. It was purchased by the Clinton Foundation, who were big supporters. Surprise surprise. They just changed their name to "New Democrats".

https://truthout.org/articles/third-way-democrats-are-trying-to-push-the-party-rightward/

However, the victory dance was premature. The DLC was dead in name only. Even before it officially dissolved, its allies were laying the groundwork to continue its agenda. “I am a New Democrat,” Obama told the New Democrat Coalition in 2009, according to Politico. Obama’s unambiguous words of support to this faction of the party was notable, especially since for most of his career he has, as Politico noted, “largely avoided the Democratic Leadership Council.”

It is indeed telling that President Obama kept his distance from DLC, but still assured their people he was on their side. He knew the DLC name would hurt his carefully crafted image in the eyes of progressives, but in terms of general philosophy, Obama’s description of himself as a “New Democrat” was accurate. He embraced industry to a fault and kept his distance from the left. He relied solely on “market solutions” to health care, despite being a long-time supporter of single-payer.

He also hired DLC alumni often and in positions of importance, most notably appointing two White House chiefs of staff who were proud DLC allies: Rahm Emanuel and Bill Daley, the latter of which is a Third Way board member. “Visitor logs show that Third Way leaders have enjoyed excellent access to the Obama White House, with at least 50 visits since 2009,” reported the Boston Globe in 2014.

In this context, the White House’s decision to vigorously oppose Keith Ellison as chair of the Democratic National Committee, a move supported by New Democrats, makes plenty of sense.


. stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #1
I call BS on the OP.. Awesome Dems are out there Winning All Over the Country and Actually Helping Cha Jul 2018 #198
Excellent post Cha. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #230
Our Dems ARE Helping People.. "terrified of Cha Jul 2018 #235
+1 betsuni Jul 2018 #232
plus++ a gazillion! Sunlei Jul 2018 #267
Same old same old... maybe it's time for a new strategy? InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #2
Hard to call Tim Ryan same old same old. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #11
I can't stand him. N/t Horse with no Name Jul 2018 #208
The "Sanders wing" won't "help people" if Democrats don't win the election. brooklynite Jul 2018 #3
All of them? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #8
How about Conor Lamb? RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #12
Doh ! OnDoutside Jul 2018 #34
OFFS Recursion Jul 2018 #13
the question was how many _could_ she win in? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #14
There's about 15 or 16 House districts she could win Recursion Jul 2018 #16
thank you for the look into the future, Kreskin ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #44
I dig how you indict others for the same things you do LanternWaste Jul 2018 #67
Thanks! ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #75
Amen. shanny Jul 2018 #106
You nailed it wryter2000 Jul 2018 #111
How many primaries have candidates like her won? mythology Jul 2018 #25
lol JNelson6563 Jul 2018 #187
I remember that Democrats are not the enemy. We are Democrats ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #207
This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #221
Straw man. No one is promoting a one size KPN Jul 2018 #236
Well said ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #241
Highly inaccurate statement you are making here. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #193
you cant qazplm135 Jul 2018 #253
How has the Sanders wing helped people since we lost in 2016? brooklynite Jul 2018 #275
Stop attacking her. Chickensoup Jul 2018 #41
I had the real Chang last week ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #46
You should tly the fly lie. Chickensoup Jul 2018 #76
will. . . .not . .. . laugh . . . ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #80
Then u will cry alone!! Chickensoup Jul 2018 #85
literally LOLing now ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #87
for whatever it's worth I like u. Chickensoup Jul 2018 #179
Luckily for all of us, H2O Man Jul 2018 #132
i agree, especially when they are meeting together ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #143
+1000 G_j Jul 2018 #147
Exactly! peggysue2 Jul 2018 #272
Looks like the Republican owned media has found something to split the Democratic party again. docgee Jul 2018 #4
Exaxctly, they are even dusting off the term "third way." FSogol Jul 2018 #5
Third Way is the name of the think tank that hosted this get together ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #7
In the real world they are insignificant. On DU they are the most FSogol Jul 2018 #21
Third Way is the most powerful boogie-man on DU? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #36
"they are insignificant"? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #169
BS. The DLC did not become the Third Way. The third way is minor un-notable think tank, FSogol Jul 2018 #171
Useful as a bogeyman, though, neh? MineralMan Jul 2018 #173
Exactly. n/t FSogol Jul 2018 #174
The DLC and the Third Way as a policy, were tied to the hips. LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #176
Pure Claptrap. FSogol Jul 2018 #178
Brilliant rebuttal LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #181
Ham and Cheese! FSogol Jul 2018 #183
All of this happened in the 80s and 90s. Catch up. Or at least Squinch Jul 2018 #199
Yup wryter2000 Jul 2018 #114
As a past supporter and actual delegate for Bernie randr Jul 2018 #6
Because last election there was too much protest voting. docgee Jul 2018 #9
If you have to explain it to them awesomerwb1 Jul 2018 #39
A higher percentage of Saders voters voted for Clinton in 2016 mythology Jul 2018 #40
I absolutely don't believe the study that says 25% of Clinton voters went for McCain. LisaM Jul 2018 #96
CNN exit poll puts it at 17% voting for McCain. progressoid Jul 2018 #184
Not certain "a CNN exit poll" is a sufficiently accurate measure AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #225
This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #224
They should listen to Stacy Abrams, NY_20th Jul 2018 #10
great idea to stop pursuing Republican voters ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #15
The next governor of Georgia! oberliner Jul 2018 #17
She doesn't get the point of politics Renew Deal Jul 2018 #20
Which is why Republicans control all three branches of the fed government. They ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #24
Whenever I see folks try to bring up "well thats why republicans control all three branches" stuff stevenleser Jul 2018 #190
Whenever I see folks question the rightward shift of the party, disillusioned73 Jul 2018 #255
That has nothing to do with what I wrote. Your attempt at distraction does not change the facts stevenleser Jul 2018 #269
Yeah.. your right.. all is well - we're doing fine here.. disillusioned73 Jul 2018 #276
No sale. If you want to control people's behavior, which is really what this is about. You need to stevenleser Jul 2018 #277
Control peoples behavior??.. disillusioned73 Jul 2018 #278
Yep, that's what this is. You want people to do what you want them to do (vote a certain way) stevenleser Jul 2018 #279
I don't see it that way at all. NY_20th Jul 2018 #28
so THAT'S how the pukes win! shanny Jul 2018 #109
IKR? LOL ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #112
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!!! EffieBlack Jul 2018 #33
I'm with Stacy. nt PunkinPi Jul 2018 #135
On MSNBC last week, one of the DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #168
Well said Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2018 #175
But isn't the Sanders wing trying to win republicans? ecstatic Jul 2018 #264
what the hell is a 'moderate Democrat?' bigtree Jul 2018 #18
I would use the term "pragmatic" to describe a moderate Democrat. honest.abe Jul 2018 #29
ah yes, "pragmatism" ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #32
There's always Pokemon Go. LuvLoogie Jul 2018 #45
If eating peas gets us back in power and removes that lunatic from the WH.. honest.abe Jul 2018 #47
"If eating peas gets us back in power" Relies on facts not in evidence ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #55
If all who claimed to be progressives supported and voted Democrats in the last election.. honest.abe Jul 2018 #61
I think a huge percentage of them did ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #66
Yes, perhaps, but clearly not all. honest.abe Jul 2018 #82
we could have used everyone's help, for sure ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #84
I'm not fully onboard with Democratic party candidate and incumbent corporate sprinkleeninow Jul 2018 #124
for now, of course. We've built a huge, corrupt (and corrupting) system ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #127
Understood. I have strong qualms regarding divisiveness, purity testing, sprinkleeninow Jul 2018 #144
that is my fervent hope ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #150
Gotta. Just gotta. sprinkleeninow Jul 2018 #160
If union members had supported and voted Democrats in the last election... progressoid Jul 2018 #186
During the last election many Progressives relentlessly criticized us who supported Hillary Clinton. honest.abe Jul 2018 #194
I can't post some of the things I heard Hillary supporters say about Obama during the 08 campaign progressoid Jul 2018 #217
Not comparable at all. honest.abe Jul 2018 #220
Your suspicion would be incorrect. progressoid Jul 2018 #238
If you recall there was a group called the PUMAs back then. honest.abe Jul 2018 #242
Ah, the "No True Scottsman" comeback. progressoid Jul 2018 #246
Wasn't "pragmatism" the battle cry of the winning side of the primary this last round? TCJ70 Jul 2018 #149
It would have worked out fine.. honest.abe Jul 2018 #195
they are actually defined by what they vote for. I don't trust those votes. bigtree Jul 2018 #42
You have a "trust" problem. honest.abe Jul 2018 #49
doesn't take a genius to understand that this isn't just my problem bigtree Jul 2018 #53
OH! Let's bring the woodchuck back to life, shall we? MineralMan Jul 2018 #141
You must live in a very small world. Moderate Democrats are the backbone of the Party. tonyt53 Jul 2018 #182
I love the last part you wrote bigtree Jul 2018 #185
Democrats need to focus on getting elected Renew Deal Jul 2018 #19
they do if they encourage Democratic leaders and candidates to embrace progressive ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #27
I think we need to embrace whatever it takes to win back Congress and the WH. honest.abe Jul 2018 #43
please examine that list ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #58
For the most part "progressive" candidates have lost, and in many cases... George II Jul 2018 #102
"Third Way Dems" --- Oh brother! GMAFB! NurseJackie Jul 2018 #22
That term must have focus grouped very well in St Petersburg Generic Brad Jul 2018 #98
LOL! Exactly! Squinch Jul 2018 #142
Fuck that noise. murielm99 Jul 2018 #23
THIS sheshe2 Jul 2018 #192
Cheri Bustos for House Speaker! farmbo Jul 2018 #210
I think she may be house speaker someday, murielm99 Jul 2018 #237
The Democrats have been doing pretty well electorally since Trump was elected Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2018 #26
this is true ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #30
I can't speak as to why that isn't happening Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2018 #38
progressives are garroted pretty routinely by the party in primaries ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #52
Vote your conscience or preference in your primary pecosbob Jul 2018 #31
yes, a good strategy ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #48
yes...but never forget that a blue dog is in fact, still a dog. pecosbob Jul 2018 #50
I really don't care if the moderate wing is terrified of the liberal wing or Vinca Jul 2018 #35
Nicely put! awesomerwb1 Jul 2018 #57
LOL Scurrilous Jul 2018 #37
Way too many divisive threads like this turning up. I'm suspicious. (nt) Paladin Jul 2018 #51
I'm suspicious, too. n/t murielm99 Jul 2018 #54
Yep. Names we haven't seen in ... why, it must be almost two years, now! How time flies. Squinch Jul 2018 #56
I arranged to have Third Way hold a meeting ridiculing progressives ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #59
Nice work!! hahaha!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #118
don't mention the numerous AOC attack threads bigtree Jul 2018 #63
Yes, exactly. LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #180
Thank you, me too ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #239
Rising Tide Lifts All Boats colsohlibgal Jul 2018 #60
totally agree ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #62
Wouldn't it make more sense to go after republicans instead of fellow Democrats? George II Jul 2018 #64
Yeah... you'd *think*, wouldn't ya? NurseJackie Jul 2018 #68
By who? When is it going after other democrats and their messaging and when is it just being JCanete Jul 2018 #71
yep bigtree Jul 2018 #81
Third Way? kcr Jul 2018 #254
what a weird and insidious game you're playing here bigtree Jul 2018 #257
Really? Clarifying things by pointing out the facts is insidious? kcr Jul 2018 #260
you had your moment bigtree Jul 2018 #263
I'm heartbroken kcr Jul 2018 #265
+1000 stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #89
Moderate/Centrists are the true progressives poetshepherd Jul 2018 #65
I can make no sense of this post ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #73
I think some puffing is going on. FSogol Jul 2018 #78
and fluffing shanny Jul 2018 #113
there is no sense to make. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2018 #153
Welcome to DU. fleabiscuit Jul 2018 #189
Why do we need a new freedom caucus? Gothmog Jul 2018 #69
Better Believe It!! MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #70
LOL! Squinch Jul 2018 #146
I'm a bigger fan of the warren wing. And she doesn't use fear tactics against me. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #72
This exactly dansolo Jul 2018 #243
"Third Way Dems?" Again? MineralMan Jul 2018 #74
that's the name of their own organization ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #77
It's an out-of-date, slanderous shibboleth. MineralMan Jul 2018 #86
do not get ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #88
I won't waste any more of my time. MineralMan Jul 2018 #90
Ok, thanks. I didn't call them Third Way, it was the name of the group that organized the meeting ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #92
Of course you would call them those things. MineralMan Jul 2018 #94
Oh no. I wouldn't have said anything if I thought you would ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #95
I didn't realize your love for Cheri Bustos would brook no argument ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #100
Not my district. MineralMan Jul 2018 #104
Back from where ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #110
Posting stats are visible to everyone. MineralMan Jul 2018 #115
are you talking about this spring when I was battling cancer? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #120
You probably shouldn't melman Jul 2018 #137
I see. Haven't seen you around for a while. MineralMan Jul 2018 #138
You should take a closer look at those 'posting stats' melman Jul 2018 #140
I think you are starting to see boogeymen (boogeypersons?) hueymahl Jul 2018 #163
What's slanderous is tarring the entire Democratic party kcr Jul 2018 #258
Let me know when somebody does that ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #262
You. In your OP. kcr Jul 2018 #270
Strawman much? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #271
No. You only acted like it was the whole damn party. kcr Jul 2018 #273
welcome to ignore, you liar ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #274
Scary: Third-way Dems gonna git ya! FSogol Jul 2018 #83
It's where they met. It's where they're organizing bigtree Jul 2018 #91
Is the name of the think tank a problem? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #93
it's a good vehicle to steer around substance, and a trigger here at DU bigtree Jul 2018 #99
hmmm. thanks for the clarification. ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #101
Terrified? Nope Freethinker65 Jul 2018 #79
They always claim 'big tent' when they want us to vote for right wingers. nt RandiFan1290 Jul 2018 #97
How can there be a "Sanders wing" of the Democratic Party when Sanders isn't a Democrat? scheming daemons Jul 2018 #103
keep thinking. you'll figure it out ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #107
Sorry... if he isn't willing to register as a Democrat, I'm not willing to acknowledge his "wing" scheming daemons Jul 2018 #128
jesus, talk about old talking points ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #133
I Don't "like" BS always throwing insults at our Democratic Party.. here in his Own words.. Cha Jul 2018 #218
There Isn't.. and No one is "terrified" either.. it's Cha Jul 2018 #197
We'll see how helpful the "Sanders Wing" are, once the primaries are over. It shouldn't take that OnDoutside Jul 2018 #105
abolishing ICE as it exists now ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #108
You continue down the Abolish ICE trail and you will have saturation coverage of ads saying that OnDoutside Jul 2018 #116
We can have better sound bites and also better policies ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #121
Well then come up with sensible policies to reform ICE and campaign on that. That's something likely OnDoutside Jul 2018 #123
I'll let AOC pick her messaging, she seems to be doing just fine ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #130
It is analogous to killing NAFTA, Korean Trade Deal, and the Trans-Pacific Free Trade Agreement olegramps Jul 2018 #148
The thing is ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #156
icymi shanny Jul 2018 #117
Yes I saw it, but that's irrelevant to feeding Rep talking points. OnDoutside Jul 2018 #119
sorry but the pukes are going to have nasty over-the-top talking points shanny Jul 2018 #122
Then don't GIVE them a free gift of an over the top talking point !!! OnDoutside Jul 2018 #125
We could, for example, shove their love for ICE and their Nazi tactics ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #131
This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Jul 2018 #126
How much longer a we going to continue to drive a wedge in the Democratic Party SFnomad Jul 2018 #129
I agree ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #134
No, you don't agree SFnomad Jul 2018 #213
sorry, did I do that? Or did the people in the article separate themselves and ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #214
Yes, you have done it and you continue to do it n/t SFnomad Jul 2018 #215
I suspect it is not naivete. I suspect it is malicious. The tells are all there. Squinch Jul 2018 #152
We don't need division for crying outloud. Unity, Unity! olegramps Jul 2018 #155
Sanders Democrats want to bring the functions of ICE under some authority Sophia4 Jul 2018 #136
well stated ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #139
Tim Ryan makes around $147K vi5 Jul 2018 #145
Plz,,,,,,,These crooks would work with no salary,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2018 #157
you can almost support a family in the Boston area ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #158
Oh, I know that.... vi5 Jul 2018 #167
A little bit strange today... BittyJenkins Jul 2018 #151
. Squinch Jul 2018 #154
yeah, again, I'm not sure the threads (like mine) are the problem ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #159
You may not be sure, but most of the rest of us are. Squinch Jul 2018 #166
+1. (n/t) FreepFryer Jul 2018 #201
Thank you for keeping track of these type of threads, I've been seeing more of them also uponit7771 Jul 2018 #172
I guess losing it all in 16 wasn't enough...more losing with this sort of post. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #161
America is not a leftist country, will never be one, we are a beachbum bob Jul 2018 #162
"There's a lot of people that just don't really like protests and don't like yelling and screaming, riversedge Jul 2018 #164
isn't that nuts? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #165
Think it would be helpful if the "terrified" Dems worried about their own districts bigbrother05 Jul 2018 #170
Bingo! MineralMan Jul 2018 #177
Can we cut the decisive crap? we can do it Jul 2018 #188
Dah Komrade! whistler162 Jul 2018 #191
Lol! Squinch Jul 2018 #200
I call BULL on the OP.. We have Dems All Over the Country Actually HELPING PEOPLE... & No One is Cha Jul 2018 #196
Journalism School Drop Out That I am Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2018 #202
that was my own not subtle attempt at humor ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #205
Tim Ryan is a fool if he thinks he has a chance to be President. LiberalFighter Jul 2018 #203
I think he's just an attention getter mvd Jul 2018 #204
We need to be more aggressive in taking credit for liberal beliefs. LiberalFighter Jul 2018 #209
Kiss the mid-terms good-bye Adrahil Jul 2018 #206
Their strategy is nothing new. AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #211
Sanders never accomplished jack, get real man. lol. nt BootinUp Jul 2018 #212
Exactly. Cha Jul 2018 #219
This message was self-deleted by its author Oneironaut Jul 2018 #216
I'm not terrified by the "Sanders wing." Just tired of them. EffieBlack Jul 2018 #222
+Millions! Cha Jul 2018 #223
"Terrified moderate Dems terrified" betsuni Jul 2018 #226
"Terrified!!!!!111" Cha Jul 2018 #228
Terrified of things that "might actually help people." betsuni Jul 2018 #231
Right.. well, that's what they're tying to push Cha Jul 2018 #234
Expecting the wealthy to pay their employees living wages TexasBushwhacker Jul 2018 #227
The incomparable Charlie Pierce: shanny Jul 2018 #229
+1 AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #233
Thank you ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #240
"Abolishing ICE" is a nonstarter position jmowreader Jul 2018 #244
ICE is only 15 years old ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #245
You miss the point entirely... brooklynite Jul 2018 #247
It is certainly a problem of both leadership and structure ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #249
La Migra was just as bad as ICE jmowreader Jul 2018 #248
call it what you will ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #250
What you would like... jmowreader Jul 2018 #251
Or even just any immigration security with adult supervision ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #261
You know who's pushing this Pro-Sander's message? Bernie Sanders.. brooklynite Jul 2018 #252
False hyperbole...no demoract is fearful but we do know how easy it is for beachbum bob Jul 2018 #256
The Sanders' Wing. Like the Buffalo Wing, but more terrifying. betsuni Jul 2018 #259
please don't attack any "wings" of D votes, we can't fly without wings. we need them ALL. Sunlei Jul 2018 #266
agreed, we should just let these Democrats ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #268
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