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Garrett78

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33. I haven't heard him advocate for actual socialism. He seems to be wanting to re-define the term.

Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:30 AM

Aug 2018

He calls himself a socialist but advocates for something that isn't socialism. Like you, it's hard for me to imagine he doesn't know the actual meaning of the term, which is what is so puzzling. Why go to the trouble of trying to re-define a (polarizing) term and conflate it with what you're actually advocating for? How does that help his cause?

It's mystifying.

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Why are "Democratic Socialists" attempting to establish a whole new definition of socialism? [View all] Garrett78 Aug 2018 OP

I have wondered that too. honest.abe Aug 2018 #1

It's indisputably more accurate. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #4

bernie 2020 campaign? nt msongs Aug 2018 #2

Huh? Garrett78 Aug 2018 #6

Pitting socialism vs capitalism is so 19th century. DemocracyMouse Aug 2018 #32

Hope you get some answers! Cha Aug 2018 #3

Because we need a lot of help with messaging. zaj Aug 2018 #5

Naive people taking the bait from Republicans and letting them frame their movement. bettyellen Aug 2018 #7

Republicans will affix the label "socialism" to anyone left of Limbaugh. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #8

Democratic Socialism and Socialism aren't the same leftstreet Aug 2018 #9

But what they advocate for already has a name. Social Democracy. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #11

Am 100% with you. EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #30

Actually, the Socialist party of America believes in democratic socialism, according to its pnwmom Aug 2018 #12

Can you imagine the fun GOOGLE TRANSLATE would have with this? pangaia Aug 2018 #20

LOL. You're right! I'd love to see that. pnwmom Aug 2018 #27

Goggle coukd translate pretty well in Georgian. pangaia Aug 2018 #34

Democratic Socialist. Adjective, Noun. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #13

Democratic Socialist of America seem to be legitimate socialists TomSlick Aug 2018 #10

That's why I said that the prominent ones, at least, don't seem to be... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #14

Really. You think Bernie does not know the meaning of Socialist? GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #23

I haven't heard him advocate for actual socialism. He seems to be wanting to re-define the term. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #33

Or, maybe they really ARE conventional socialists, and just view social programs pnwmom Aug 2018 #17

A white haired Not Democrat Stinky The Clown Aug 2018 #15

I agree. Why they think it's a good idea to try to educate a couple hundred million pnwmom Aug 2018 #16

You'd be hard-pressed to come up with a worse political strategy. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #21

They Seem More Stuck on Image and Labels than on actually getting Stuff done JI7 Aug 2018 #18

Just another damn way to divide the Democratic Party and make the big tent smaller... Hekate Aug 2018 #19

On that note, even self-identifying as a Social Democrat probably wouldn't be... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #22

Agreed. I only call myself that on DU. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #24

I agree. Progressive Democrat is clear enough. pnwmom Aug 2018 #25

Indeed. What Democrat of any stripe doesn't support social programs? Hekate Aug 2018 #28

Did you see the list posted by a short-timer of "Progressive Candidates" who won? Hekate Aug 2018 #26

This is a very old article but it speaks radical noodle Aug 2018 #29

It's a group making up new definitions for words. Those in the group know the new meaning, betsuni Aug 2018 #31

There are terms that need to be reassessed. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #35

My point is that words are given new meanings, and of course it's really odd and counterproductive. betsuni Aug 2018 #42

I was just pointing out that there are instances where accepted meanings need to change... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #43

because socialism is not communism. as if that matters w/ the new GOOP. pansypoo53219 Aug 2018 #36

But socialism does involve the government controlling the means of production, pnwmom Aug 2018 #40

If you genuinely want to know the difference democrank Aug 2018 #37

Wow, how many threads on this, just talking past each other? Socailsm has been defined and redefined JCanete Aug 2018 #38

The Democratic Socialist Party USA believes in socialism -- not just Nordic style social programs. pnwmom Aug 2018 #41

I suspect those young people don't know what it means. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #45

Let me try & answer your question SkyDancer Aug 2018 #39

It's really simple. Hardline Socialists have embraced the old capitalist trick of "Re-branding" ! OnDoutside Aug 2018 #44