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SkyDancer

(561 posts)
39. Let me try & answer your question
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 04:41 AM
Aug 2018

being a member of DSA myself.


Contemporary “Social democracy” is defined as a set of social policies and a political ideology that advocates said policies. Unlike Democratic Socialists, Social Democrats don’t advocate for a fundamentally different economic system from capitalism: their focus is on regulating the excesses of capitalism to protect workers, consumers and disadvantaged groups. This often goes alongside support for tax-funded and universally-accessible welfare provisions. It isn't to say that Democratic Socialists don't advocate for such things (we do) but we want it done in a way that isn't based on capitalism.

Social Democrats don’t view capitalism as fundamentally flawed and irrational, let alone question its fundamental elements (production for profit, the wage labor system, private property). In contrast, Democratic Socialists view capitalism as irrational, inefficient or unjust and hold the view that a superior form of economic organization based on social ownership and democratic management is possible. Therefore they aim to replace capitalism with a socialist economic system which benefits all members of society equally.

Definitions of Democratic Socialism

Democratic socialism is not a system per se, rather it is a range of political ideologies that share a commitment to the realization of socialism alongside political and/or economic democracy. As such there is no singular model of democratic socialism that can be analyzed in detail. “Democratic socialism” typically means one of four things:

*A political ideology that aims to realize socialism through existing liberal democratic political institutions;
*A political ideology that aims to realize socialism through spontaneous grassroots-level participatory activism;
*An economic system where socially-owned enterprises are managed directly by their workforce in a democratic rather than hierarchical manner


All Democratic Socialists favor a socialist economy which involves some form of social ownership of the means of production with self-management or democratic decision-making processes at the workplace level. There is however no common Democratic Socialist stance on the question of resource allocation - some Democratic Socialists favor market socialism while others favor planned economies.

Let me share with you something which was posted on my local DSA chapters page awhile back.


"Social Democrats want regulated capitalism, redistribution of wealth, fair taxation of the rich, democracy, and strong social safety net programs. The Scandinavian countries would be considered Social Democracies and to some degree so would democracies in Europe such as France, Germany and England. Social democracies recognize that not everyone wins the capitalist game, and it tends to produce undesired outcomes such as income inequality = massive wealth and poverty side by side. It seeks to provide government programs that support the poor and working class under a capitalistic democracy. It’s a kinder gentler form of capitalism.

Democratic socialists want to keep democracy, but have the citizens vote to move away from capitalism toward more citizen ownership of the means of productions. They see capitalism as a flawed system that tends to create massive wealth for a few and a struggling middle class and poor. Instead of looking to redistribution of wealth and a strong social safety net as a solution, they prefer to change the system to a more socialist system. This does NOT mean they support the state owning the means of production. The concept is that the citizens workers/labor would own a piece of the company or farm they work in. They ask, why should a few wealthy people own most of everything? Shouldn’t everyone have a share in the wealth of a country/economy? "


Hopefully this helps some.

I have wondered that too. honest.abe Aug 2018 #1
It's indisputably more accurate. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #4
bernie 2020 campaign? nt msongs Aug 2018 #2
Huh? Garrett78 Aug 2018 #6
Pitting socialism vs capitalism is so 19th century. DemocracyMouse Aug 2018 #32
Hope you get some answers! Cha Aug 2018 #3
Because we need a lot of help with messaging. zaj Aug 2018 #5
Naive people taking the bait from Republicans and letting them frame their movement. bettyellen Aug 2018 #7
Republicans will affix the label "socialism" to anyone left of Limbaugh. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #8
Democratic Socialism and Socialism aren't the same leftstreet Aug 2018 #9
But what they advocate for already has a name. Social Democracy. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #11
Am 100% with you. EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2018 #30
Actually, the Socialist party of America believes in democratic socialism, according to its pnwmom Aug 2018 #12
Can you imagine the fun GOOGLE TRANSLATE would have with this? pangaia Aug 2018 #20
LOL. You're right! I'd love to see that. pnwmom Aug 2018 #27
Goggle coukd translate pretty well in Georgian. pangaia Aug 2018 #34
Democratic Socialist. Adjective, Noun. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #13
Democratic Socialist of America seem to be legitimate socialists TomSlick Aug 2018 #10
That's why I said that the prominent ones, at least, don't seem to be... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #14
Really. You think Bernie does not know the meaning of Socialist? GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #23
I haven't heard him advocate for actual socialism. He seems to be wanting to re-define the term. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #33
Or, maybe they really ARE conventional socialists, and just view social programs pnwmom Aug 2018 #17
A white haired Not Democrat Stinky The Clown Aug 2018 #15
I agree. Why they think it's a good idea to try to educate a couple hundred million pnwmom Aug 2018 #16
You'd be hard-pressed to come up with a worse political strategy. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #21
They Seem More Stuck on Image and Labels than on actually getting Stuff done JI7 Aug 2018 #18
Just another damn way to divide the Democratic Party and make the big tent smaller... Hekate Aug 2018 #19
On that note, even self-identifying as a Social Democrat probably wouldn't be... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #22
Agreed. I only call myself that on DU. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #24
I agree. Progressive Democrat is clear enough. pnwmom Aug 2018 #25
Indeed. What Democrat of any stripe doesn't support social programs? Hekate Aug 2018 #28
Did you see the list posted by a short-timer of "Progressive Candidates" who won? Hekate Aug 2018 #26
This is a very old article but it speaks radical noodle Aug 2018 #29
It's a group making up new definitions for words. Those in the group know the new meaning, betsuni Aug 2018 #31
There are terms that need to be reassessed. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #35
My point is that words are given new meanings, and of course it's really odd and counterproductive. betsuni Aug 2018 #42
I was just pointing out that there are instances where accepted meanings need to change... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #43
because socialism is not communism. as if that matters w/ the new GOOP. pansypoo53219 Aug 2018 #36
But socialism does involve the government controlling the means of production, pnwmom Aug 2018 #40
If you genuinely want to know the difference democrank Aug 2018 #37
Wow, how many threads on this, just talking past each other? Socailsm has been defined and redefined JCanete Aug 2018 #38
The Democratic Socialist Party USA believes in socialism -- not just Nordic style social programs. pnwmom Aug 2018 #41
I suspect those young people don't know what it means. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #45
Let me try & answer your question SkyDancer Aug 2018 #39
It's really simple. Hardline Socialists have embraced the old capitalist trick of "Re-branding" ! OnDoutside Aug 2018 #44
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