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Bucky

(53,795 posts)
47. Not being a Democrat is what hurts him with Democrats
Sat Dec 15, 2018, 11:00 AM
Dec 2018

If he would just join up, he'd be the leader of the pack thru 2019. I expect the voters will go with someone new. Mad respect to Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders, and to Hillary if she runs again, but it's time to pass the torch. We have a lot of experienced and dynamic leaders under the age of 70 ready to take on Tangerine Mussolini

Is that Sanders ceiling? Renew Deal Dec 2018 #1
Primaries are very complicated and unpredictable Yosemito Dec 2018 #2
President Obama will likely not endorse in the primaries, especially if Biden is running. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #5
Yeah, A CNN poll is not a primary result. nt NCjack Dec 2018 #83
Bernie got into the 40s in 2016 Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #8
I don't think so...I believe his identity comments have hurt him with Democrats. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #19
That's not all that's Cha Dec 2018 #36
Not being a Democrat is what hurts him with Democrats Bucky Dec 2018 #47
"Not being a Democrat is what hurts him with Democrats" And there is the answer. elocs Dec 2018 #79
I'm a bottoms up thinker. If 40%+ of Democrats backed a non-Democrat for our nomination... Bucky Dec 2018 #87
"he supported our nominee." It's more like Sanders damned Clinton with faint praise. elocs Dec 2018 #92
Your memory is faulty. Yes, he said vote for Clinton many times Bucky Dec 2018 #99
I watched him on several occasions.... Adrahil Dec 2018 #100
I never claimed he never said he would not vote for her, elocs Dec 2018 #103
More than that. Blue_true Dec 2018 #61
This. Plus, a lot of the anti-Dem left has moved on or Hortensis Dec 2018 #72
I just hope that he realizes when he has lost and don't stay in damaging the party nominee. Blue_true Dec 2018 #73
Oh, yes. I think he will whether he stays in or not. Hortensis Dec 2018 #80
Then it is up to people that claim to be progressives and truly are not to get tricked this time. Blue_true Dec 2018 #91
2016 was tailor-made for Sanders. 2020 won't be. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #75
A lot to that. O'Malley might have made a better show, Hortensis Dec 2018 #81
Sanders was always *the* Clinton alternative. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #82
Agree with the projection for 2020. Hortensis Dec 2018 #84
I was referring to 2016. Sanders was *the* Clinton alternative that year. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #86
Well, I look forward to it. Warren will hurt him if she runs, Hortensis Dec 2018 #88
Anyone from New England and anyone who appeals to white millennials... Garrett78 Dec 2018 #89
:) He never did, but I don't mind your pointing out reasons. Hortensis Dec 2018 #90
Yes, I consider how Sec Clinton went to bat for Pres. Obama and also President Clinton did...both Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #95
Bill was massive in that campaign, he worked as hard as President Obama did. Blue_true Dec 2018 #98
Plus he will never release his tax returns. redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #104
The thing that infuriates me. Blue_true Dec 2018 #105
Yep, I agree with all of this. redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #106
There'll be at least a dozen candidates, and fewer caucuses this time around. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #22
Bernie lost a two-way race last time. So if this is 12 way race Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #24
He was *the* Clinton alternative. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #25
Wrong about Sanders. Bucky Dec 2018 #48
You've entirely invented what I said. Here, again, is what I said--this time with feeling: Garrett78 Dec 2018 #50
oops. My bad Bucky Dec 2018 #52
You did, indeed. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #58
+1 Glamrock Dec 2018 #66
He will have to observe the rules of the Democratic Party. George II Dec 2018 #46
And answer for his gun votes, crime bill vote, Russia sanctions vote, and F-35 advocacy. N/T lapucelle Dec 2018 #54
If people who don't like the 1994 Crime Bill Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #57
It's not going to be a choice between Biden and Sanders. Besides, that's only one issue... George II Dec 2018 #59
There was no floor vote in the US House Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #63
But he was openly against it. From his own memoir in his own words, he was clearly against it: George II Dec 2018 #65
The 2 of you may be overcomplicating matters. Sanders won't win the nomination because... Garrett78 Dec 2018 #68
You are correct. Below is the primary schedule for 2020, through March 17, as of today. George II Dec 2018 #71
Yes, though it remains to be seen what impact California moving up to Super Tuesday will have. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #74
I think California is going to be enormous. Blue_true Dec 2018 #107
BS didn't vote for Biden's Senate version. lapucelle Dec 2018 #69
Earlier this week, the Middle-Aged Turk's head exploded lapucelle Dec 2018 #55
Uygur is an idiot and it's sad to think he influences a portion of the electorate. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #60
I guess it's time for him to solicit more money from Russia and right-wing lobbyists. George II Dec 2018 #64
He'll do just what he always does. Register as a Democrat and then run. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #56
He's not going to get a pass on his tax returns, either. Even if the few state Democratic Parties... George II Dec 2018 #62
Agreed. He's already not viable. He wasn't viable in 2016 either. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #67
I sincerely hope Sen. Sanders is gone long before the two person stage or we risk a disasterous Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #96
If Sanders thinks he's going to get Debbie Wasserman Shultz endorsement... dubyadiprecession Dec 2018 #3
... NurseJackie Dec 2018 #4
is he looking for that? Is that some particular badge to be desired? nt JCanete Dec 2018 #12
Sanders blamed part of his defeat on Shultz... dubyadiprecession Dec 2018 #14
Elizabeth Warren at 3 percent. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #6
Let's see, it's nearly two years before the general election, PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2018 #7
Four years ago Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #9
It was still an exercise in name recognition. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2018 #23
HRC isn't in that poll, and she should be. nt Baltimike Dec 2018 #10
I think she has made it pretty clear that she is not running. StevieM Dec 2018 #15
Obama said the same thing...and then ran. Baltimike Dec 2018 #37
But they hadn't been swiftboated so badly. HRC has had a magnificent career, and I have been StevieM Dec 2018 #39
Meh. It's way to early. In early spring KPN Dec 2018 #11
These polls are meaningless at this juncture, but people will keep posting them. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #20
In early Spring 2020 the nomination will already be settled. former9thward Dec 2018 #38
OK. True to large extent. So mid-late winter. KPN Dec 2018 #42
I hope that Joe Biden runs Gothmog Dec 2018 #13
I think it is sad that 3 to 4 percent of Democrats are supporting Mike Bloomberg, StevieM Dec 2018 #16
And he thinks we need to cut "entitlements" Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #21
Three white men leading the pack oberliner Dec 2018 #17
I wish we did not insist on "identity politics" and yet question everything Dec 2018 #31
I suspect the ticket will be gender and race balanced. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #40
Wish Sanders would go sit down somewhere..He ripped helpisontheway Dec 2018 #18
This is way too early and not to be taken seriously, IMO. n/t cynatnite Dec 2018 #26
meh apcalc Dec 2018 #27
I will take Beto or anyone else OVER Bernie. LiberalFighter Dec 2018 #28
Kick and rec. Kingofalldems Dec 2018 #29
Biden????? Farmer-Rick Dec 2018 #30
Do you mean Clarence Thomas? NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #33
Yeah that was confusing Farmer-Rick Dec 2018 #43
Actually they meant Biden sheshe2 Dec 2018 #101
For context, here's CNN's poll from 2006 at this time. Basically this poll is meaningles BlueintheSTL Dec 2018 #32
The top two in the 2006 poll Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #34
And yet the media loves to forget how strong Obama was at the start of the race. StevieM Dec 2018 #41
President Obama benefitted BIG from caucuses, his people understood their power, Hillary's people Blue_true Dec 2018 #70
There being fewer caucuses is big. California's impact remains to be seen. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #77
These organizations and cable news have WAY TOO MUCH time on their hands. Caliman73 Dec 2018 #35
Is Sanders a Democrat now? Skidmore Dec 2018 #44
Bazinga! George II Dec 2018 #45
Snaperoo! Cha Dec 2018 #85
Whomp Whomp Me. Dec 2018 #93
... NurseJackie Dec 2018 #94
Nope, he ran as a Democrat in Vermont and then resumed his independent status after that. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #97
These polls are pointless at this stage. yardwork Dec 2018 #49
I agree workinclasszero Dec 2018 #53
No offense, but it is all bullshit at this point until we have actual people start announcing. Then still_one Dec 2018 #51
Yes. Tipperary Dec 2018 #102
So it starts INdemo Dec 2018 #76
The polls themselves are meaningless at this juncture. It's all about name recognition. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #78
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