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Hekate

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6. Hillary won the popular vote despite everything thrown at her. That shows the majority of...

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 04:57 PM

Jan 2019

...the American people are not with Trump.

But Hillary, much-mocked and much-reviled by the Right Wing in all its manifestations, has been absolutely right at several points in her career. In the current context, the first was when she said a Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy (known here as the VRWC) was at work to take down her husband's presidency, and the second was when she called Trump a puppet for Putin.

When in despair over our fellow citizens, hold on to the truth that they (as well as we) voted for her. We are all under siege in a war that is not being fought with guns and bombs by men in recognizable uniforms. But it is a war, and hard for people to wrap their minds around its nature.

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I'm beginning to wonder if we, as a nation, deserve Trump. [View all] Atticus Jan 2019 OP

That election was stolen. Period. cynatnite Jan 2019 #1

Yes IF we're responsible for deficiencies in our public education system. elleng Jan 2019 #2

I'm not so sure of that argument. Eko Jan 2019 #53

We deserve it. Basement Beat Jan 2019 #3

Screw that Downtown Hound Jan 2019 #4

I agree we are not responsible for "electing" him. But, are we responsible if we allow him to Atticus Jan 2019 #8

So, we're as complicit as the repubs? cynatnite Jan 2019 #9

Who said such a thing? nt Atticus Jan 2019 #10

I was reading what you said...that we're allowing him to remain in power... cynatnite Jan 2019 #11

Nothing I have posted comes close to saying we are "as complicit as the repubs". But, the Atticus Jan 2019 #14

Hold it. We just took the House so give the Dems time as they may yet... brush Jan 2019 #30

No, I do not "know" that and neither do you. You BELIEVE that to be so, and you may very well Atticus Jan 2019 #55

You're being inconsistent. brush Jan 2019 #56

Not inconsistent at all. While, as I've stated, now may be too early to impeach, it is not too Atticus Jan 2019 #57

That's not the message the OP sends as you must've guessed by the pushback you got. brush Jan 2019 #58

We need to be smart about our resistance Downtown Hound Jan 2019 #15

After reading Butterflylady Jan 2019 #5

Hillary won the popular vote despite everything thrown at her. That shows the majority of... Hekate Jan 2019 #6

Resistance works and is patriotic! BigmanPigman Jan 2019 #7

Wisconsin did not "deserve" Wanker. The Nation does not "deserve" Republicans. LakeArenal Jan 2019 #12

40% of the populace Brawndo Jan 2019 #13

The Constitutions critical flaw zipplewrath Jan 2019 #16

That is the best description of that problem that I've read. Dave Starsky Jan 2019 #22

THIS !!!! It's a flaw in electoral structure and not in ideals IMHO uponit7771 Jan 2019 #26

needs to be an OP Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #27

Absolutely. The EC is a huge flaw that should be eliminated. The chances of that... brush Jan 2019 #31

Yup zipplewrath Jan 2019 #37

The impact of that flaw, means that we don't have the ability to get rid of that flaw. fescuerescue Jan 2019 #44

Exactly, as there are too many who view the Constitution as sacrosanct. brush Jan 2019 #50

Totally agree. Just as an example of the disparity, Wyoming, with a population of about 580,000, Atticus Jan 2019 #33

And if it were only California zipplewrath Jan 2019 #38

Americans llmart Jan 2019 #17

Trump is that heart attack that 40 years of bad eating... Dave Starsky Jan 2019 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Dave Starsky Jan 2019 #19

H.L. Mencken on the Presidency: FSogol Jan 2019 #20

Y'all might deserve him but I sure as hell don't... Blue_Tires Jan 2019 #21

NO WE DO NOT DESERVE TRUMP. Why would you say "WE" deserve someone who will kill us trueblue2007 Jan 2019 #23

I am sorry if that is what you thought the OP was about. nt Atticus Jan 2019 #24

Fair question, I don't think so ... We've done more good than bad uponit7771 Jan 2019 #25

I think what we're learning is that this concept of American... SKKY Jan 2019 #28

GREAT you are taking a BUS and showing DETERMINATION and PATRIOTISM! Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #29

What's Putin going to do with so many cars and houses? fescuerescue Jan 2019 #45

Do you question putin's desire to destroy us? Whether he takes possession or someone else... Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #46

Putin hates us. We know that fescuerescue Jan 2019 #47

How am I rooting against them vs us? Did you think putin would take ONLY their homes and not yours? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #48

apologies! fescuerescue Jan 2019 #54

Putin wants to restore the USSR (Russia +) to its former glory. Dave Starsky Jan 2019 #49

That's why I took 4 teenagers to NYC to protest the start of the war in Iraq mokawanis Jan 2019 #32

Putin took bdamomma Jan 2019 #34

No one deserves abuse. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #35

Why consciously choose to ignore the many who are doing something? LanternWaste Jan 2019 #36

Of course, the OP was not ABOUT those who are "doing something". It was, clearly, I believe, Atticus Jan 2019 #41

To condemn the majority for the actions of the minority is not fair, nor just. TeamPooka Jan 2019 #39

We couldn't make our collective mind that fascism is bad FiveGoodMen Jan 2019 #40

Chump's supporters are as stupid, batshit crazy and mean spirited as he is. Initech Jan 2019 #42

Representative government only works when the represented get out and vote. CrispyQ Jan 2019 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Tech Jan 2019 #51

The ones who voted for him and those who thought the candidate who wasn't a Putin puppet fascist Hassler Jan 2019 #52