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pnwmom

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42. Yes, I was assuming that Obama would have been FALSELY accused,
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 03:53 PM
Feb 2019

and that no other information had ever come out to show guilt.

And I don't think any evidence has yet about Fairfax (though I haven't read about him this morning -- has something changed?) The situation was different with Kavanaugh. He had a LONG and varied history of inappropriate behavior while drunk. He'd attended multiple parties while drunk, he allegedly had been seen standing in line to go into bedrooms where a drunk girl was being raped. Also, there was a woman at Yale, while he was in grad school, who said that when he was drinking he shoved his penis into her face -- in front of other people. And she had corroborating witnesses.

On the other hand, with Fairfax, the Washington Post spent several months interviewing witnesses at their work, school, and among friends. The Post couldn't find anyone this woman had told about the incident. And they couldn't find any other woman who had something untoward happen to her.

So Effie was asking how do we treat men -- especially black men, given the history of false accusations in the past -- if there is an accusation but no evidence. If they really were alone in a room, differ on how consensual it was, and she told no one after the fact how upset she was. And there is no pattern on anyone's part.

The funny thing is, before she wrote her OP I'd already thought the same thing myself. What if this had happened with Obama. It could have. Anyone could be the subject of a false allegation, for any number of reasons.

All that being said, the situation with Fairfax is fluid. I suspect there will be some kind of investigation, and maybe some credible information will come out. Or maybe some women will decide to take Jacob Wohl up on his offer of the $15K. Or maybe this will encourage somebody else to quietly offer even more. What a nightmare. I NEVER would have thought this could happen before, but nowadays, in a Presidential race? It looks like anything goes.

We have promoted a "no benefit of the doubt" hysteria here. Such things come back to bite us. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #1
There are things I would not believe of Barack Obama, & nonconsensual sex is one of them... Hekate Feb 2019 #2
How well did you know Obama in 2007? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #3
Well you got here in 2007, but you never seem to know who I am, so I'll explain again... Hekate Feb 2019 #16
Oh. I apologize for not committing your history, views and impressions of Obama to memory EffieBlack Feb 2019 #20
smdh Hekate Feb 2019 #21
I read every word of it EffieBlack Feb 2019 #24
But that's because we KNOW him now. Pretend this was back in 2004 and we didn't know him. What then? pnwmom Feb 2019 #33
I addressed the questions put to me by EB, and told her more about me than I probably should... Hekate Feb 2019 #38
Check your mail Hekate Feb 2019 #41
They would have impeached, indicted, imprisoned and popped the champagne by now. Initech Feb 2019 #4
Or what if he barged into the Miss Teen USA locker room? Blue Owl Feb 2019 #5
He wasn't... brooklynite Feb 2019 #6
Yes. It says that he was never accused of rape EffieBlack Feb 2019 #8
Perhaps he wasn't accused of rape because there was nothing approaching evidence? brooklynite Feb 2019 #9
You think evidence is the prerequisite for someone to be accused of rape? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #22
What evidence has been produced against Fairfax? Did I miss something? pnwmom Feb 2019 #43
Have you read her very detailed statement? n/t theboss Feb 2019 #45
No, I'll go look for it now. Thanks. nt pnwmom Feb 2019 #46
Republicans are turning #metoo into guilty by accusation vs believe the accuser and investigate uponit7771 Feb 2019 #7
Since the Franken hatchet-job went so well, the GOP believes they oasis Feb 2019 #12
So now ANY accusation against a Democratic Office-Holder should be discounted? brooklynite Feb 2019 #13
If there's anything Dems are good at, it's the unnecessary over-correction theboss Feb 2019 #15
Dukakis in the tank. nt oasis Feb 2019 #29
case by case. But then, you knew that. oasis Feb 2019 #18
Okay - case by case. There's no evidence that this incident is a "hatchet job"... brooklynite Feb 2019 #37
Come on with the obvious strawman fallacy ... uponit7771 Feb 2019 #32
A good article about this wildflower Feb 2019 #39
No, not discounted. But there should be some EVIDENCE beyond a Facebook post. nt pnwmom Feb 2019 #44
It looks like they may be right. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #26
Democrats will prevail. The GOP always overplays its hand. nt oasis Feb 2019 #28
Then he probably wouldn't have been president theboss Feb 2019 #10
Yes. I's good that he didn't rape anyone. And it's also good that no one accused him of raping them EffieBlack Feb 2019 #23
You mean, it's good no one accused him of rape. Because that's all we have right now. pnwmom Feb 2019 #36
Has Lt. Gov. Fairfax been forced out of anything? brooklynite Feb 2019 #11
O.K., this particular hypothetical is over the top. Why something about OBAMA that UTUSN Feb 2019 #14
This is the danger inherent in identity politics theboss Feb 2019 #17
To be clear for ME, "identity politics" & "trend in the Dem party" & "black woman/black man" UTUSN Feb 2019 #19
But we don't have any more reason to think that Fairfax was capable of this pnwmom Feb 2019 #35
Since the thread kicked up I'll reply here. There's something just flawed about bringing OBAMA in. UTUSN Feb 2019 #40
Yes, I was assuming that Obama would have been FALSELY accused, pnwmom Feb 2019 #42
he was accused of killing his gay lovers who he did drugs with JI7 Feb 2019 #25
He wasn't? jberryhill Feb 2019 #27
Wait wait, ooh pick me! Pick me! I know! jberryhill Feb 2019 #31
I admire Barack Obama more than any other modern day politician PTWB Feb 2019 #30
But that's because we know Obama well now. What if this happened when he was just a state politician pnwmom Feb 2019 #34
Do you think the fact we railroaded Al Franken is coming back to haunt us? Joe941 Feb 2019 #47
Yes. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #48
To be honest, all of this is far too triggering for me. moriah Feb 2019 #49
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