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LiberalLovinLug

(14,153 posts)
146. Sure okay. Us and them.
Wed Feb 20, 2019, 07:50 PM
Feb 2019

And the "us" is not D's vs. R's. To you its singularly your own candidate, against everyone else, including other D's, or those that ran as D's with the blessing of the party. Everyone else is the "enemy". And so you lump the most vile Trumpist propagandist like Conway or Hannity with Sanders and anyone one of his supporters at the time, which was as I said 48% of delegates at one time and they haven't gone away. And you pretend in your mind that none of any of those people "split hairs" about any topic or fake news conspiracy theory on Hillary.

If you have any examples of baseless accusations, or piling on by Sanders during that time, on her email scandal or Benghazi or Seth Rich's "murder", or a pizza parlor child sex ring, white water, or anything at all, maybe you should put your pen where your mouth is and put up a link if you want to be taken seriously.

They didn't mind when Charlie Crist was a 3rd party candidate for the Senate race in 2010. nt RandiFan1290 Feb 2019 #1
Or Joe Lieberman ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #9
and apparently they don't care much about Bloomberg... shanny Feb 2019 #17
I was also taken aback by that. Also by Lieberman's enormous ego. ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #21
I remember most people here Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #93
Likewise Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2019 #119
Lieberman's name makes my blood boil. dem4decades Feb 2019 #152
What was your username here, back then? nt Snotcicles Feb 2019 #170
Why do you ask? Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #172
I don't think Charlie Christ had a major hand in handing the presidency to Donnie Short Fingers maxrandb Feb 2019 #65
Bernie didn't lose to trump. nt RandiFan1290 Feb 2019 #81
Nor cause anyone else to lose to Trump. zentrum Feb 2019 #106
True but he stayed in way longer than necessary and that was not helpful. That hurt the Democrats. UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #155
Think about why Sanders did that. He knew he couldn't win. He probably knew ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #165
No he was trying to win the nomination. The whole delegate bullshit...remember? nt UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #166
That's it. And zentrum Feb 2019 #178
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #121
Who is "they"? And what does a 3rd party candidate have to do with Sanders? Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #74
When Sanders entered the race his position was very little different than Trump. olegramps Feb 2019 #98
Supporting Crist was a strategic move to stop Rubio. honest.abe Feb 2019 #122
The problem is that he doesn't stop, even when he loses, and his supporters rally against the party LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #2
+100 Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #4
Bullshit!!! Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #7
You have a selective memory; there are a number of current posters who flat out stated LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #11
PUMAS in 2008 Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #15
What about them? Clinton worked tirelessly, from the time that Obama won the primaries LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #18
...and they REFUSED to vote for Obama. Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #22
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2019 #25
Without your continued use of unsupported allegations, you have so very little... LanternWaste Feb 2019 #52
+∞ LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #58
Show me PUMAs who voted for Obama... Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #59
Google it... Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #141
Got a whole website full of them, what was it called... namahage Feb 2019 #68
. Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #70
I also don't remember Clinton calling for someone to primary Obama. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #28
Obama invited HRC to discuss how she could KPN Feb 2019 #120
I'm not sure what you mean by reach out? MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #158
Key word: finally. Read between the lines. KPN Feb 2019 #168
You read between the lines. That article was written before the convention. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #169
Really? Ignore the facts if you wish. Before the KPN Feb 2019 #171
Really. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #175
Ikr.. unbelievable! Cha Feb 2019 #135
You've missed two important points. thesquanderer Feb 2019 #115
Hillary admitted she could not win but needed some time to decide how to bow out gracefully. honest.abe Feb 2019 #123
But not long before, she "vowed to take the fight to the nominating convention" thesquanderer Feb 2019 #129
Which she didnt. honest.abe Feb 2019 #139
I've said nothing negative about Hillary. thesquanderer Feb 2019 #154
Then President Obama did Cha Feb 2019 #136
Uh, no LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #128
re: "in 2008, Sanders endorsed Obama right away, even before Clinton conceded" thesquanderer Feb 2019 #179
Oh, BS; the point is that he changed his tune when it appplied to him: LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #181
Bullshit about talking about "her emails" LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #131
Again, wrong emails. He didn't care about the email server issue, but the DNC strategy ones. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #133
Are you purposely muddying up the issues? LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #138
No, I'm recalling exactly what happened from the time Clinton won a delegate majority LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #142
Sure okay. Us and them. LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #146
OK LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #151
Thank's for that link! It proves my point. LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #156
Thanks for calling out the revisionist history. R B Garr Feb 2019 #159
Amen. shanny Feb 2019 #19
I don't recall PUMAs crashing the convention in 2008 musicblind Feb 2019 #29
I do... it was extremely contentious up to the roll call Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #37
Clinton did it right away; Sanders waited until the last minute. As to the "contentious convention LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #67
There were a number of states... Catch2.2 Feb 2019 #116
Sanders was eliminated early on. That is just a fact. R B Garr Feb 2019 #157
Or planning a "far-a-thon" LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #42
I guess "what aboutism" isn't confined to just Trumpists. louis c Feb 2019 #77
No, no false equivalencies involved Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #82
I had a big problem with the PUMAS in 08 Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #96
Because Obama lead McCain by 10 points (give or take a few) Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #97
Could be. Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #126
...ask the PUMAs who they voted for in 2K8 Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #130
Agreed Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #132
The PUMAS were racists and likely supported by RW operatives. honest.abe Feb 2019 #118
Now you're just deflecting.. not working. Cha Feb 2019 #134
Apparently so, or you wouldn't have replied? Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #137
BS is being vetted like Cha Feb 2019 #140
--- lapucelle Feb 2019 #20
I'll bet that very few of them were Democrats ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #23
Unconfirmed twitter account? Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #26
... lapucelle Feb 2019 #41
That made all the difference in the world! Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #43
"Defectors" zipplewrath Feb 2019 #48
That's a good argument for closed primaries. N/T lapucelle Feb 2019 #55
Yup zipplewrath Feb 2019 #60
Open primaries give Republicans an opportunity to meddler lapucelle Feb 2019 #61
Among other things zipplewrath Feb 2019 #63
Odd you hold others to a higher standard than you hold yourself to. LanternWaste Feb 2019 #57
I wouldn't be surprised if those numbers were correct Progressive dog Feb 2019 #40
The historical record is different LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #30
Google PUMA 2008... Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #38
I remember the PUMAs well. Two points make them irrelevant LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #44
so people who were Sanders delegates ended up supporting Trump ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #46
A large number of them publicly said they'd vote for Stein, which has the same effect LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #54
Even more anecdotal (alleged) evidence LanternWaste Feb 2019 #50
Well, I personally know quite a few in real life who wrote in Bernie. yardwork Feb 2019 #72
Had nothing to do with a lack of campaigning in the rust belt? Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #73
Actually, no. These are highly educated people. They don't need campaign rallies to vote. yardwork Feb 2019 #148
But her Pumas! MyNameGoesHere Feb 2019 #92
Thank you! Catch2.2 Feb 2019 #114
my sense (not backed by data at the moment) is that Sanders supporters who were Democrats ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #16
Every single one I knew did... Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #27
me as well. Most of the people I knew weren't for Sanders because he was anti-establishment ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #33
So did I. nt Stellar Feb 2019 #45
Also without generous media support from Russia LakeArenal Feb 2019 #32
I'm sure that a well past retirement age Progressive dog Feb 2019 #36
Very true. redstatebluegirl Feb 2019 #75
+1000. Paladin Feb 2019 #79
not true at all garybeck Feb 2019 #100
Yup!! Lots of great candidates ..not BS Thekaspervote Feb 2019 #107
That was the point I was about to make Soph0571 Feb 2019 #113
Your failure to address the actual campaign of the actual Democratic candidate is exhausting. OrwellwasRight Feb 2019 #153
+1. Look all over social media, many are toxic. radius777 Feb 2019 #173
It bothers Democrats here on DU. irresistable Feb 2019 #3
I've noticed the same ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #6
I'd pretend it's fear as well... LanternWaste Feb 2019 #10
+1 LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #14
Most ... WHO !? tia uponit7771 Feb 2019 #49
Apparently you don't know them. irresistable Feb 2019 #85
Not in MY real world. revmclaren Feb 2019 #88
if the label is more important than what's inside the package ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #105
I've seen what's in the Sanders package.... revmclaren Feb 2019 #163
That is my guess too Catch2.2 Feb 2019 #117
+1 OrwellwasRight Feb 2019 #180
Sanders should definitely be in the primaries forklift Feb 2019 #5
A new aspect? BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #8
But Pelosi needed to go because we needed "new blood" Empowerer Feb 2019 #31
Well said. BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #34
Seems to me that every Liberal I know, self included... tkmorris Feb 2019 #62
How do you define "political establishment"? Empowerer Feb 2019 #66
Old resentments die hard... SoFlaDem Feb 2019 #12
Well said Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #71
Why do they worry about whether they are welcomed or not? treestar Feb 2019 #161
Should and will are two different things... SoFlaDem Feb 2019 #185
The issue is while he is in the primaries...some damage could be done to both the party and the Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #13
bernie is NOT A DEMOCRAT!!! HE should not be allowed to run or participate in debates trueblue2007 Feb 2019 #24
tell it to the national party ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #35
Expecting candidates who are Democrats to run in the Democratic primary isn't "rigging the rules". TwilightZone Feb 2019 #53
I mean, really. +10000. Expecting someone to be a member of the party.... Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #78
then it should be easy to get that change made ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #104
It's already in the rules. If he doesn't declare himself a Democrat, run as a Democrat, and.... George II Feb 2019 #89
Page 9, Article VI lapucelle Feb 2019 #127
taxes please ! stonecutter357 Feb 2019 #39
I agree nt Andy823 Feb 2019 #56
One imagines joining the Democratic party would also resulting in 'solving itself' LanternWaste Feb 2019 #47
write him a sincere letter explaining why he should do that ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #51
I sincerely hope - OhZone Feb 2019 #64
We don't want to hear him whining like last time, when he lost. dubyadiprecession Feb 2019 #69
Can one be "unofficially" registered as a Democrat? I did not know that. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #76
I live in Illinois. dogman Feb 2019 #99
He needs to run as an independent kimbutgar Feb 2019 #80
Bingo. Why should I support this leech? I have many DEM candidates to choose from. nt SylviaD Feb 2019 #87
Not a good idea tazkcmo Feb 2019 #144
But he's not a Democrat but an independent. kimbutgar Feb 2019 #162
I understand that. tazkcmo Feb 2019 #174
If he does run as an Independent then his name will become Nader part 2 kimbutgar Feb 2019 #184
So he's damned if he does tazkcmo Feb 2019 #186
The Democratic Primaries forum are open ! stonecutter357 Feb 2019 #83
Doesn't bother me. it will sort itself out. he'll run as a dem Kurt V. Feb 2019 #84
Bernie should NOT run. I will be voting for and supporting DEMOCRATS nt SylviaD Feb 2019 #86
He caucuses with the Democrats. He votes against Trump/GOP legislation more than many Democrats. pampango Feb 2019 #90
the Bernie Bots went live on Reddit yesterday.. Terminally_Chill Feb 2019 #91
Good point.... Chakaconcarne Feb 2019 #94
The DNC passed a rule last summer that only Dems can run hughee99 Feb 2019 #95
then the issue is solved ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #102
Right, if the name means more to you than the substance . . don't vote for him. Easy peasy. pdsimdars Feb 2019 #101
thank you ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #103
Wow! Thanks for the tip! NastyRiffraff Feb 2019 #108
Democrats are the Big Tent Party, I thought? (long post) CTAtheist Feb 2019 #109
good post ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #111
Just like they didn't last time. Chicago1980 Feb 2019 #110
Does he want to divide the Democrats or have someone beat Trump? LisaM Feb 2019 #112
Independent in the General ?? krkaufman Feb 2019 #125
I could see Sanders staging a third-party run if he doesn't win. LisaM Feb 2019 #147
Bernie has said numerous times he will not EVER run for President as an Independent earthshine Feb 2019 #164
Splitting democratic votes is likely why Trump appeared to be gracious when no_hypocrisy Feb 2019 #176
What are you for?!? krkaufman Feb 2019 #124
Explain your position first before demanding others declare theirs. Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #143
I am a Democrat sdfernando Feb 2019 #145
Yep! I'm with you 100%. Little Star Feb 2019 #149
That's exactly the same as every other candidate ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #150
I don't see it that way sdfernando Feb 2019 #167
Here are the DNC rule and oath Gothmog Feb 2019 #160
That might be logical if there were no open primaries. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #177
Agreed MaryMagdaline Feb 2019 #182
sanders has not yet signed the oath Gothmog Feb 2019 #183
Locking ... Yonnie3 Feb 2019 #187
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