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CrossingTheRubicon

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44. Paying for stuff with taxes isn't socialism. LOL.
Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:12 PM
Mar 2019

Otherwise, every government in history would be socialist.

This kind of BS only aids the right-wing.

Every time republicans throw an insult at us, we tie ourselves in knots to deny it, or "defang" it. Squinch Mar 2019 #1
I like it, it's ideal, but it assumes rationality and perfect knowledge though ck4829 Mar 2019 #7
It takes a very small amount of discipline and a lot more ability to dismiss the ridiculousness Squinch Mar 2019 #10
I hope you're right ck4829 Mar 2019 #15
The problem is that some of our number kennetha Mar 2019 #2
So we say, "Yes. Bernie does call himself that, but let's not let that take away from Squinch Mar 2019 #14
Tell people to quit cashing their SS checks, quit using highways and please don't use the Autumn Mar 2019 #3
None of these things are socialism. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #6
What ever. If it's brought to you and paid for with your tax dollars it's socialism. Autumn Mar 2019 #8
Not whatever. Repeating untruths doesn't make them any more true upon the re-telling. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #12
Getting bogged in semantic purity does no one any good. The suggested argument is a good one. Squinch Mar 2019 #16
Nonsense. Talk about old right-wing talking points. Autumn Mar 2019 #19
Democratic Socialism is NOT part of our system. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #23
Yes Police, Fire , Schools. the military are all socialism. pwb Mar 2019 #45
Maybe you should look up the defintion 1st... EX500rider Mar 2019 #75
All this is exactly why we should ignore efforts to "educate the electorate" on the real meaning Squinch Mar 2019 #79
Agreed mitch96 Mar 2019 #87
Exactly. "You republicans can call it whatever you want in your efforts to scare people, but we're Squinch Mar 2019 #88
Sorry charlie, I'm going to embrace the term. If Republicans don't like it tough shit. Autumn Mar 2019 #96
The Republicans DO LIKE IT. They will be very grateful if you play their game. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #97
Perhaps a class in Who Gives a Fuck What Republicans Say and Think is Autumn Mar 2019 #99
If you help Republicans by amplifying their message it hurts Democrats. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #100
You may accept Republican framing all you want. I'll decide on my own what terms I use. nt Autumn Mar 2019 #101
You are using the same "framing" as the Republicans. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #102
Here's the difference, it's my framing, the way I want to frame it. Autumn Mar 2019 #105
You are playing into the Republican's hands by adopting the same "framing" as them. Not smart. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #107
It depends how broadly or narrowly you define socialism TheRealNorth Mar 2019 #84
Since when do we Democrats buy into false right-wing narratives? CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #85
You seem to be the one buying into the narrative TheRealNorth Mar 2019 #89
Not at all. I reject Republicans calling programs like Social Security "socialism." CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #90
You failed to answer the question TheRealNorth Mar 2019 #94
What question? CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #95
So #2 ck4829 Mar 2019 #13
Fox News watchers have been brainwashed to think that those ooky Mar 2019 #26
Yes they have been brainwashed. Even certain dems like to demonize it. Autumn Mar 2019 #29
Democrats should strongly disassociate from socialism and embrace the liberal democratic values CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #4
#1. Nothing wrong with it... We just need to prepare for the inundation. ck4829 Mar 2019 #17
Socialism is not on the move. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #5
It's not that it's on the move... It's that we're going to be swamped with the accusation by 2020 ck4829 Mar 2019 #21
"Now I think that if running on it" WeekiWater Mar 2019 #24
4. Pass our "socialist" bills in the House. ooky Mar 2019 #9
And if we have to call them anything, call them "Democratic policies." Squinch Mar 2019 #11
I would call them socialist bills, and at the same time take the opportunity ooky Mar 2019 #20
A little bit of #1, a little bit of #2. Could work. ck4829 Mar 2019 #22
If we have real legislation to back it up, ooky Mar 2019 #72
Why? Why get into it? Why not just sell the policies that we support and everyone wants? Squinch Mar 2019 #25
I do understand where you are coming from. ooky Mar 2019 #31
But the truth is simply that the republicans are trying to scare them away from policies they Squinch Mar 2019 #33
Of course. ooky Mar 2019 #58
Just because you're using the same words, it doesn't follow that you mean the same thing gratuitous Mar 2019 #18
Socialism is very well defined in political science. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #27
You know that, I know that, problem is, not everyone is a political science major ck4829 Mar 2019 #34
Which is why when people who are presumably on "our side" echo the language of CPAC... CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #36
Yes, it is gratuitous Mar 2019 #54
#2 and just a slight hint of #3 by not letting them define the term ck4829 Mar 2019 #28
The current majority strategy on DU appears to be #4 FBaggins Mar 2019 #30
Good or bad, I see that as #2 IMO ck4829 Mar 2019 #41
We need a term for their agenda that conveys the loss Perrenial Voter Mar 2019 #32
Republicans call everything they don't like "socialist" JHB Mar 2019 #35
It aids the right-wing when those on the left echo the same talking points. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #38
Tom Steyer -- or somebody -- needs a related commercial campaign Awsi Dooger Mar 2019 #46
What we need to do is constantly bring out the examples of our socialism lunatica Mar 2019 #37
None of these things are examples of socialism. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #39
They're all examples of socialism lunatica Mar 2019 #42
Paying for stuff with taxes isn't socialism. LOL. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #44
You're entitled to your opinion. lunatica Mar 2019 #48
Not my "opinion" but the universal understanding of political scientists worldwide. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #49
Sure. lunatica Mar 2019 #50
Definitions of words are not an opinion EX500rider Mar 2019 #77
We The People lunatica Mar 2019 #81
Which has zero to do with who owns the means of production. nt EX500rider Mar 2019 #108
Political Science you say???????? pwb Mar 2019 #52
No. I graduated with highest honors. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #57
That is not in my link. pwb Mar 2019 #59
It is your link. I'd suggest reading more carefully. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #62
Nice try. pwb Mar 2019 #64
Did you read your own link? CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #65
I am reading what everybody else is saying. pwb Mar 2019 #66
You posted a link. I quoted it back. You denied it was your link. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #67
See ya. pwb Mar 2019 #68
So, I shouldn't expect an apology? CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #69
your link has incorrect grammatical syntax, as it says 'what is 'A' socialism', Celerity Mar 2019 #71
Look closer GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #74
From your own link..Answers..is the accurate definition of Socialism... AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #63
Then we would be just as dishonest as republicans. Those things are not socialism. GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #73
Can't we just get rid of: Military, Farm Aid, Police, Airports, Highways, Sports Arenas, etc.? TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #40
ok. mercuryblues Mar 2019 #43
Talk to people about it! The friggin socialists are trying to take away our childrens' right struggle4progress Mar 2019 #47
Clearly a #2 strategy ck4829 Mar 2019 #51
Laugh at them struggle4progress Mar 2019 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author pwb Mar 2019 #53
Try a dictionary instead of "answers.com" EX500rider Mar 2019 #80
Sealioning abounds in this thread. lunatica Mar 2019 #83
+1 TheRealNorth Mar 2019 #91
The foot soldiers are obviously out in force lunatica Mar 2019 #93
And our link says... AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #86
We need to point out that they are doing all the same things... cbdo2007 Mar 2019 #55
the apt description for socialist programs should be wrapped in "freedom", "fairness" and such. Buzz beachbum bob Mar 2019 #56
Replace the word socialist with realist, because we 42bambi Mar 2019 #60
This is a BIG problem: Lucid Dreamer Mar 2019 #70
REBRAND THAT SHIT. americanism. mopinko Mar 2019 #76
By the way, all this would be helped immeasurably by the work of a good PR firm working on Squinch Mar 2019 #78
Like the Fire and Police Departments? The military? The Green Bay Packers? underpants Mar 2019 #82
Heavy on Option #2 with a dash of Option #3, and just a pinch of Option #1. VOX Mar 2019 #92
Obama Had A Best Seller ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #98
We need to clearly show and contrast democratic socialism to run-amuk capitalism vlyons Mar 2019 #103
Don't use the public library. roody Mar 2019 #104
Stop it?! We need to embrace it! Joe941 Mar 2019 #106
I'm ok with socialism as a concept and use of the term as an organizing tool. David__77 Mar 2019 #109
Do a Harvey Milk style "come out of the closet" campaign. backscatter712 Mar 2019 #110
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