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Martin Eden

(12,843 posts)
3. Should Democrats act on principle?
Sun Apr 21, 2019, 09:18 AM
Apr 2019

These 4 paragraphs from the article:

Acting purely on the basis of an amoral political calculation rather than Constitutional principle is what Trump people do. That’s what the world's ranking hypocrite, Mitch McConnell, would do: glorify the Constitution when it works in his favor and ignore it when the Constitution is inconvenient.

That is the reason Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer are giving for hiding from impeachment: it’s a bad political strategy. Could cost us votes in the 2020 election. Can’t risk that.

It is ironic that Nancy Pelosi was quick to invoke ideals and principles when she famously refused to spend a dime on Trump's border wall because it was "immoral." The hard thing about acting on principle is that it can't be an act. People who invoke principles selectively are not really living by principles.

Democrats are supposed to act on principle, casting political considerations aside when a principle is at stake. The principle here is that a man who has committed “high crimes and misdemeanors” should not be the President of the United States. Congress should not be waiting until the next election and outsourcing that responsibility to voters on the hope that they will do the job that Congress is afraid to do.


The question is, can we act on principle AND use that to our advantage in winning elections?

I think the answer is YES, because in the long run building trust and confidence is the key to winning votes. In the short run, I think this POtuS is very beatable whether or not the House goes forward with impeachment.
This. nt Atticus Apr 2019 #1
K&R smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #2
Should Democrats act on principle? Martin Eden Apr 2019 #3
Exactly! The Democratic party MUST begin actually doing some big things PatrickforO Apr 2019 #22
Yes, we can impeach and legislate at the same time. Martin Eden Apr 2019 #24
Yes, Republicans did ... republicans gained seats in after Clinton's impeachment but not removal uponit7771 Apr 2019 #33
They also 'won' (so to speak) the Presidency in 2000, let us not forget ... mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #53
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #56
This article is outstanding, and makes great points K&R. n/t ms liberty Apr 2019 #4
Before you put it all on Nancy, ask yourself robbedvoter Apr 2019 #5
If she doesn't, then we are screwed imo. Enough said. KPN Apr 2019 #10
Doesn't matter. It isn't about votes, it is about affirming their oaths of office. PatrickforO Apr 2019 #23
THey are pledged to protect America, ANYTHING that risks REELECTING the traitor prick Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #52
Excellent article. K & R warmfeet Apr 2019 #6
100% This!! moreland01 Apr 2019 #7
K&R 2naSalit Apr 2019 #8
The Atlantic had an article in the March issue:"Impeach Donald Trump" ginnyinWI Apr 2019 #9
Politics is about math... louis c Apr 2019 #11
And the point is...that isn't the point. shanny Apr 2019 #26
It's hard to take seriously an opinion of a person who can't count or doesn't know the rules. louis c Apr 2019 #27
How you know he doesn't know that? standingtall Apr 2019 #34
Because I'm good at reading comprehension... louis c Apr 2019 #35
The author made a math mistake but in this case precision is meaningless. honest.abe Apr 2019 #36
Not knowing the rules for impeachment... louis c Apr 2019 #37
I think he knows the rules but just made an irrelevant math mistake. honest.abe Apr 2019 #38
This is not a DU poster. This is an article from a professional... louis c Apr 2019 #39
By the way, I noticed your Kamala Harris sig line... louis c Apr 2019 #40
Im not going to criticize any of our leadership on this issue. honest.abe Apr 2019 #41
I don't think the author will, in any way, have any impact on that decision... louis c Apr 2019 #42
Right.. but the points the author made could since they are not unique to him. honest.abe Apr 2019 #43
I know the aguments from both sides of the issue... louis c Apr 2019 #44
Censure is a possibility but seems weak sauce to me. honest.abe Apr 2019 #45
What's impeaching without conviction? louis c Apr 2019 #46
Obviously much stronger statement than censure. honest.abe Apr 2019 #47
Ya, it really isn't. louis c Apr 2019 #49
Of course you will disagree but censure hearings wont attract much attention. honest.abe Apr 2019 #50
Kamala Harris: : 'I believe Congress should take the steps towards impeachment' honest.abe Apr 2019 #60
Everyone agrees with that... louis c Apr 2019 #61
Sorry, I thought you were totally against impeachment. honest.abe Apr 2019 #62
I'm against impeachment until we have a fighting chance at 67 votes to convict in the Senate... louis c Apr 2019 #63
That's where we disagree. honest.abe Apr 2019 #64
What does hearings and then we'll see mean? louis c Apr 2019 #66
Because he doesn't like dogs. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #12
Connect the dots playaseeker Apr 2019 #13
I agree TryLogic Apr 2019 #15
Great points! reggieandlee Apr 2019 #32
You do know how government and elections work, don't you? louis c Apr 2019 #51
Thanks for your comment. reggieandlee Apr 2019 #58
I know the merits of the case. We all want Trump out... louis c Apr 2019 #59
Here's a good time and reason to ask: have you called your Congresscritter today? calimary Apr 2019 #54
It is my genuine belief that NOT holding impeachment hearings PatrickforO Apr 2019 #14
I agree. TryLogic Apr 2019 #16
Excellent article TryLogic Apr 2019 #17
Too Early DallasNE Apr 2019 #18
Interesting view, but here's my concern... reggieandlee Apr 2019 #30
Running Out The Clock DallasNE Apr 2019 #31
I hope everyone on the DU reads this entire article. rgbecker Apr 2019 #19
Good article. Day after day of testimony detailing Trumo's i'll outrageous conduct will me must see Pepsidog Apr 2019 #20
Kick dalton99a Apr 2019 #21
Great essay! Poiuyt Apr 2019 #25
Should we starting waging some peaceful protests? The best solution is to force him to believe Pinkflamingo Apr 2019 #28
Is it written in stone somewhere that attempting to impeach the most corrupt president in our modern Nevermypresident Apr 2019 #29
Good article. I am pro-impeachment, the sooner the better. PufPuf23 Apr 2019 #48
Many people gave their lives protecting the Constitution ... Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #55
Please Listen to Barbara Jordan Buffalo Soldier Apr 2019 #57
Congress is obligated despite the political considerations. lindysalsagal Apr 2019 #65
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