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ehrnst

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18. Ok...

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:27 PM

May 2019

Because they didn't even begin to "reverse" anything, and really the problem has gotten worse in the meantime. They didn't even "slow it down".

Go the data to back that up?

They just "reduced the acceleration"

That is the defnition of "slowing down."

I'm saying that at this point in time, doing something whose time has passed, will interfere with moving towards actual solutions.

Can you specify why the "time has passed" for what the article in the OP is suggesting - which is updating it. Did you read the article at all?

Being nostalgic for the "good ole days", isn't going to solve this problem.

Straw man... misrepresenting someone else one way to avoid actually discussing the topic. Which is the article. Which it appears you have not read.

We've wasted DECADES avoiding solutions to the problem.

Apparently you didn't read that article at all, did you? But you're happy to lecture people about how "wrong" it is. Got it.

That has reduce the body of potential solutions to a very small set of actions that can and need to be taken.

What has "reduce the body of potential solutions to a very small set of actions that can and need to be taken?" As has been pointed out, looking at solutions that worked, and updating them is not "nostalgia for the past."

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Obama Had a Green New Deal, and It Worked. Let's Do That Again. [View all] ehrnst May 2019 OP

yeah qazplm135 May 2019 #1

I'll take "done" over being promised the moon any day. ehrnst May 2019 #3

No, it didn't "work" zipplewrath May 2019 #2

So tell us what would have "created the kind of reversals that were and are needed" ehrnst May 2019 #4

No, that's the point zipplewrath May 2019 #5

Actually, many things Obama did worked. Did you read the article at all before responding? ehrnst May 2019 #7

No zipplewrath May 2019 #8

Let's go through this again... ehrnst May 2019 #10

Okay zipplewrath May 2019 #16

Ok... ehrnst May 2019 #18

The data exists zipplewrath May 2019 #20

The data exists, but you just can't share it? ehrnst May 2019 #24

I've read it zipplewrath May 2019 #34

"Because working on a politically achievable policy that isn't a solution is a waste of time. " ehrnst May 2019 #37

This is all that the so-called "green new deal" is: George II May 2019 #6

It's a commitment to pursue those goals. MGKrebs May 2019 #9

Legislation requires more specificity as to what is mean by pursuing those goals. ehrnst May 2019 #11

Well then why such vitriol about it? MGKrebs May 2019 #13

The vitriol that I see is coming from those who see it as the ehrnst May 2019 #21

He wanted it to get the floor so they could vote it down without hearings. marylandblue May 2019 #14

So far it's a resolution, but the goal is very clear. marylandblue May 2019 #12

The resolution isn't going to have much in the way of teeth. ehrnst May 2019 #15

Good money after bad. zipplewrath May 2019 #17

Don't make perfect the enemy of good ehrnst May 2019 #19

Far from about perfect zipplewrath May 2019 #22

So you've changed your views since this thread started? ehrnst May 2019 #26

No zipplewrath May 2019 #35

It's got a better track record that anything newly proposed. ehrnst May 2019 #36

No it doesn't zipplewrath May 2019 #39

Where is the data that shows Obama's policies did 'nothing'? ehrnst May 2019 #40

I didn't say that zipplewrath May 2019 #41

Changing your tune when you are called out on it... ehrnst May 2019 #42

Nope - Your own words: ehrnst May 2019 #43

They didn't zipplewrath May 2019 #44

That's not a retraction of what you said. ehrnst May 2019 #45

It was insufficient zipplewrath May 2019 #46

Yup, doing "something" that won't make a noticeable difference is worse than nothing. marylandblue May 2019 #23

How do we know that this one isn't, to use that suddenly taboo word, "moderate"? We know nothing.... George II May 2019 #25

I don't have a problem with the word "moderate" marylandblue May 2019 #29

If they are not pursuing "IMPEACHMENT" at full volume 24/7 then they get trashed for not ehrnst May 2019 #30

Thanks for the info. I am glad there is some movement, and I'll read the bill later. marylandblue May 2019 #31

There have been at least two House hearings on climate change: George II May 2019 #32

Thanks. Not getting the attention it deserves, even among us political junkies on DU. marylandblue May 2019 #33

He had a good healthcare plan, as a starter, excellent comprehensive immigration reform plan, emmaverybo May 2019 #27

K&R for reality mcar May 2019 #28

K&R betsuni May 2019 #38