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11. There are many roads to get to where we want to go. I am

Mon May 20, 2019, 01:17 AM

May 2019

dyslexic and have aha moments. Mostly they are hypothesis I can't test out immediately as I am online and in Canada. Do I put up the hypothesis or not? My role as a dyslexic is to take a wide scope in life and slowly, over minutes-hours-weeks-months and years get to a big picture in real life. That is my job. In the meantime I had a hypothesis. So I post my idea knowing it will be taken with a grain of salt and that the DU needs those of us to perceive things differently. I'm not always right. Sometimes i reinvent the wheel. But so are the real pundits on the tv. But sometimes I am right and novel.

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A modest request: Please do your research [View all] EffieBlack May 2019 OP

Thanks. Legal process (as well as concepts generally) frustrate many, elleng May 2019 #1

Actually, this thread makes the case for impeachment hearings. watoos May 2019 #30

Actually, as Nadler zentrum May 2019 #100

Interesting take StarfishSaver May 2019 #103

Legal simplicity is an oxymoron but NYMinute May 2019 #127

Right. But the Dems zentrum May 2019 #136

The Dems DO need to do more. WinstonSmith4740 May 2019 #131

Right On. zentrum May 2019 #137

Actually, Nadler beseeched Pelosi last night to start an impeachment inquiry. SunSeeker May 2019 #173

Not what he said to our faces zentrum May 2019 #184

Oversight hearings and impeachment investigation hearings are not the same thing. SunSeeker May 2019 #185

Not necessarily-this is from the judge's ruling in the accounting firm record case Gothmog May 2019 #179

The NBC news article in that tweet you cite shows it's time to start a formal impeachment inquiry. SunSeeker May 2019 #183

Thank you. There's a lot of Monday-morning quarterbacking going on The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #2

Lol! EffieBlack May 2019 #4

Oh you... sprinkleeninow May 2019 #9

What does impeach now have to do with this thread? watoos May 2019 #31

Yeah, I realize I put that 'in quotes'. Not the movement funded sprinkleeninow May 2019 #180

Thanks, Effie! StarfishSaver May 2019 #3

Good to have you back, Effie. sheshe2 May 2019 #5

Awww EffieBlack May 2019 #6

yep. sheshe2 May 2019 #7

That's some of the best advice I've read on this site in a very long time. defacto7 May 2019 #8

Thank you for this post, Effie. I wish I could give it a thousand recs. pnwmom May 2019 #10

I did!...Well...Kinda... SkyDaddy7 May 2019 #17

100+ True Blue American May 2019 #33

Thanks! SkyDaddy7 May 2019 #161

SkyDaddy7, thanks so much for sharing your story! It is inspiring pnwmom May 2019 #65

Thanks! SkyDaddy7 May 2019 #160

There are many roads to get to where we want to go. I am applegrove May 2019 #11

it's chickenhawks. it's fucking amazing how many 'democrats' and 'liberals' criticize certainot May 2019 #12

Thanks! emmaverybo May 2019 #13

I have been wondering the following but am not a lawyer so I'll take advantage of in2herbs May 2019 #14

I didn't know you were a lawyer, Effie. Control-Z May 2019 #15

Lawrence Tribe, arguably the best Constitutional lawyer in the country, agrees with you. SunSeeker May 2019 #18

Tribe is correct that impeachment hearings are considered judicial proceedings StarfishSaver May 2019 #23

Nice to see you are coming around, watoos May 2019 #32

You don't seem to have read my post StarfishSaver May 2019 #38

Amen! Nuggets May 2019 #54

The grand jury materials contain the evidence supporting the Mueller Report. SunSeeker May 2019 #84

You don't know what the grand jury materials contain. StarfishSaver May 2019 #86

Your posts do not indicate you know more than me. Please drop the arrogance and insults. SunSeeker May 2019 #144

You asked her for her legal bone fides and when she gives them to you, you accuse EffieBlack May 2019 #146

Effie, I gave StarfishSaver the legal arguments/counsel presented by Hillary and Tribe. SunSeeker May 2019 #149

Let it go, dear EffieBlack May 2019 #150

I'm not your "dear." nt SunSeeker May 2019 #151

Seems to me wryter2000 May 2019 #96

That's a huge concern StarfishSaver May 2019 #99

+1000. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #116

Thank you for taking the time to read what I wrote. SunSeeker May 2019 #82

Hillary Clinton said this: Nuggets May 2019 #55

:) Thanks for posting. That invaluable "research" thing... Hortensis May 2019 #60

Did you read Hillary's Op Ed? She called for formal impeachment investigation hearings. SunSeeker May 2019 #77

I literally posted what she said Nuggets May 2019 #79

No, Hillary nowhere says Pelosi was "right to wait." You made that up. SunSeeker May 2019 #81

I made it up now? Nuggets May 2019 #153

Yes. Saying Pelosi has the right to be cautious is NOT the same as saying Pelosi should wait. SunSeeker May 2019 #154

Saying Nuggets May 2019 #155

"Can you read? Maybe you're too tired to grasp her quote?" Why yes, Nugget. I can read. SunSeeker May 2019 #157

No. The "Watergate precedent" Hillary is referring to DID NOT start with a House resolution StarfishSaver May 2019 #158

I've done my research. You're citing it. SunSeeker May 2019 #165

She stated this in an interview with Rachel. Why is anyone contesting what you have repeated? emmaverybo May 2019 #143

Hillary did not say Pelosi should "wait." That claim is made up. SunSeeker May 2019 #152

You just don't understand. Nuggets May 2019 #164

You're citing a March 2017 article. Nadler now is urging Pelosi for an impeachment inquiry. SunSeeker May 2019 #166

Yep Nuggets May 2019 #167

I do understand. You're confusing impeachment with impeachment inquiry. SunSeeker May 2019 #168

Baloney Nuggets May 2019 #169

Hillary described the Watergate impeachment process under Doar. SunSeeker May 2019 #170

Below is a clear explanation of the process used during Watergate that's been posted before for you. Nuggets May 2019 #172

I've already read that StarfishSaver post elsewhere in this thread. SunSeeker May 2019 #175

I've already read it. Nuggets May 2019 #177

Hillary does not even mention Pelosi in her Op Ed, let alone say she "agrees with Pelosi." SunSeeker May 2019 #182

Hillary Clinton DIDN'T say anything of the kind. EffieBlack May 2019 #56

"Exhibit A of the point of my OP." Strikingly. Hortensis May 2019 #61

I have done my research. I posted my research weeks ago. SunSeeker May 2019 #80

This is sounding more like petty factional squabbling over how Hortensis May 2019 #88

I am not "squabbling" with anyone. I am stating the law and what our leaders actually said. SunSeeker May 2019 #89

Perhaps you're not. But I'm going going over Hortensis May 2019 #91

Yes, Hillary did call for impeachment investigation hearings. SunSeeker May 2019 #75

Anyone can sign up to DU and pretend to be anything they want. nt RandiFan1290 May 2019 #19

Are you suggesting Effie is NOT an attorney? n/t Ms. Toad May 2019 #51

Uncalled for. nt Codeine May 2019 #117

The house doesn't gain any powers under impeachment that they wouldn't have under uponit7771 May 2019 #20

That is not true. Read what Lawrence Tribe wrote. SunSeeker May 2019 #97

You can cut and paste this is often as you want, but if you actually read it, StarfishSaver May 2019 #102

The case law Tribe cites states clearly impeachment hearings are an exception. SunSeeker May 2019 #104

You may have read it. But you don't seem understand it. StarfishSaver May 2019 #106

An oversight hearing is not a hearing "preliminary to impeachment." SunSeeker May 2019 #119

As I said, you don't understand it. StarfishSaver May 2019 #121

I do understand it. You clearly have nothing to support your legal argument. SunSeeker May 2019 #124

No need to cite a case. We were discussing a Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure StarfishSaver May 2019 #125

If that's your background, then you should be able to cite me a case. SunSeeker May 2019 #126

There's no need to cite you a case. The Rule speaks for itself. StarfishSaver May 2019 #128

Ah, so you have nothing. Got it. nt SunSeeker May 2019 #139

You really should just let it go. EffieBlack May 2019 #140

Effie, this is important for our country. We must be able to discuss it on DU as progressives. SunSeeker May 2019 #145

It's a misconception that the House gains any "super powers" by opening an impeachment inquiry. StarfishSaver May 2019 #21

I certainly don't mind! EffieBlack May 2019 #27

You both are misleading, watoos May 2019 #35

Sorry, but you're wrong again StarfishSaver May 2019 #39

I'm not talking about Trump people ignoring subpoenas, watoos May 2019 #42

"Common sense to me" isn't law, practice or procedure. StarfishSaver May 2019 #45

Oh lordy Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #122

Thank heaven we have you and Starfishsaver wryter2000 May 2019 #98

You are not wrong! It's all a matter of passion and opinion. Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #120

+1,000 SkyDaddy7 May 2019 #16

As always, a thoughtful, reasoned voice Maeve May 2019 #22

Thank you, Effie wendyb-NC May 2019 #24

I'm so tired of the knee jerk "why don't Dems" mcar May 2019 #25

It's not so bad the first or even second time EffieBlack May 2019 #26

Can you guarantee that by following regular proceedures watoos May 2019 #36

No one can "guarantee" anything - that's not how this works - just as you can't guarantee StarfishSaver May 2019 #41

Actually, that is to be expected... reACTIONary May 2019 #148

Thank you Effie .... CatMor May 2019 #28

I agree True Blue American May 2019 #29

Thank you for making my point, watoos May 2019 #37

Trump's not stalling for time StarfishSaver May 2019 #44

You've got it right. He wants to be impeached so he can play the victim in 2020.. marylandblue May 2019 #53

Yes, Trump is stonewalling True Blue American May 2019 #47

As one who has the very bad habit at times paleotn May 2019 #34

I've been working on the mutual respect exchange and doing my best to not be snarky. Kurt V. May 2019 #40

meaningful and kindly stated. Thank you. Ninga May 2019 #43

Wouldn't it be loverly if people did that. MineralMan May 2019 #46

Not me, True Blue American May 2019 #48

I agree. Some people are willing to learn and will MineralMan May 2019 #49

This is the reason True Blue American May 2019 #52

It's the internet. Jumping to conclusions is many folks' only exercise... Wounded Bear May 2019 #50

Thank you. Jumping to unfounded conclusions & spreading misinformation... CaptainTruth May 2019 #57

What letter did Dems write that Nuggets May 2019 #58

Pelosi, Schiff and Nadler have been making political arguments against impeachment BeyondGeography May 2019 #59

What political arguments have they been making against impeachment? StarfishSaver May 2019 #62

Could you link to any sources where any of them pnwmom May 2019 #66

Is "too divisive," a legal argument? BeyondGeography May 2019 #67

All I've ever seen is that it isn't time YET. Please provide one link where any of them pnwmom May 2019 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom May 2019 #71

I agree. nt Honeycombe8 May 2019 #63

I have become.. stillcool May 2019 #64

K&R discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2019 #68

K&R ismnotwasm May 2019 #69

KnR. Seconding your modest request. Hekate May 2019 #72

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it. I have heard other law professors explain it pdsimdars May 2019 #73

agreed Locrian May 2019 #83

Great post BeyondGeography May 2019 #85

dems are organized, thoughtful, caring etc Locrian May 2019 #111

What 'other law professors?' Can you provide links? ehrnst May 2019 #87

Exactly. That post is a prime example of the problem EffieBlack identified. onenote May 2019 #171

The OP didn't argue for/against impeachment (although she's made clear elsewhere where she stands) StarfishSaver May 2019 #92

Perhaps the OP needs to go straighten out the members of Congress who want impeachment. cwydro May 2019 #162

This is also one of my pet Peeves Gothmog May 2019 #74

My simplistic assessment... Caliman73 May 2019 #76

I am not a lawyer. But as a former Union representative, guillaumeb May 2019 #78

Some of us non-lawyers actually understand "process" because we've worked with it... Hekate May 2019 #105

Excellent points. guillaumeb May 2019 #108

You don't have to be a lawyer to know the process. Some of the most astute legal observers I know StarfishSaver May 2019 #163

Yes, but .... H2O Man May 2019 #90

listen and learn dawn5651 May 2019 #93

I didn't know you're an attorney. wryter2000 May 2019 #94

Effie is a law professor Gothmog May 2019 #178

Cool wryter2000 May 2019 #181

The point of your OP (learn before you write) is lost amidst a lot of people attacking you StarfishSaver May 2019 #95

Watching people get frog-marched out of the WH while handcuffed is kind of a dream... cynatnite May 2019 #101

Ignorance Used to Be an Embarrassment dlk May 2019 #107

True StarfishSaver May 2019 #112

American Anti-Intellectualism Has Become Epidemic dlk May 2019 #123

Agreed. It started with Reagan, if not before. TwilightZone May 2019 #132

Thank you cp May 2019 #109

A modest request Nuffer May 2019 #110

Thank you for your bonkers221 May 2019 #113

There are Some People At DU For The Sole Purpose of Starting Sh*t. Indykatie May 2019 #114

Thank you, Effie NastyRiffraff May 2019 #115

K&R betsuni May 2019 #118

It Doesn't Matter What The House Believes But What It Can Prove corbettkroehler May 2019 #129

K&R brer cat May 2019 #130

"We all have something to learn about something from someone else." mia May 2019 #133

Did you really write that in response to the OP. StarfishSaver May 2019 #134

Great post malaise May 2019 #135

I'm an admirer of your courage. saidsimplesimon May 2019 #138

Thank you! EffieBlack May 2019 #141

True, boots on the ground is saidsimplesimon May 2019 #142

What a great Idea. VA Gov. Northam would agree with you. bitterross May 2019 #147

Spam deleted by MIR Team Drew Christ May 2019 #156

I'm also coming to realize that some of this is intentional StarfishSaver May 2019 #159

I've been screamed at CDerekGo May 2019 #174

Great post, thanks BlueJac May 2019 #176