Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
22. Inherent contempt is already in process.
Sun May 26, 2019, 12:44 PM
May 2019

Congress can't just go straight from a refusal to testify to inherent contempt in day - or even a couple of weeks. There's a process that must be followed with mandatory steps taken in a particular order.

The first steps have been taken and the process is bring followed.

It's still not clear if the endgame (forcing testimony) can be effectuated, but the Democrats are doing exactly what they need to do to take that path.


A primer on Contempt of Congress enforcement
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212116082

There are three methods Congress can use to enforce a Contempt of Congress citation in response to a witness' refusal to respond to a subpoena. All of them share specific requirements to get the ball rolling and then branch out into three different processes.

First, once the subpoena is issued, the witness or holder of documents has to definitively refuse to comply. That means more than just saying they won't, but to take some affirmative step to defy the subpoena, such as fail to appear or produce the documents by the deadline.

In McGahn's case, although he signaled yesterday he wouldn't show up, he didn't trigger anything until he actually didn't show up at the appointed time today. He has now defied the subpoena.

The Judiciary Committee now must make some effort to get him to comply. It might be by letter (the much-derided "strongly worded" letter is mocked around here, but it performs a legal necessity), conversations with him or his attorneys to try to negotiate compliance, or some other method. This is necessary because, down the road, before upholding a contempt citation, a court will require a showing that Congress made a good faith effort to secure compliance prior to issuing the citation.

If those efforts fail, the House Judiciary would hold an executive meeting - aka "markup" - to vote on a contempt recommendation. Markups usually require several days notice and usually, the minority can request a one-week extension.

At the markup, the Judiciary Committee members will discuss the measure and then vote. If a majority of Members agree, the contempt recommendation will be referred to the floor to be voted on by the full House.

When that happens, the measure will likely be referred to the Rules Committee which will set out the parameters for debate (how long each side has, etc.) and the vote. That usually doesn't take long and there may be ways to avoid having to do a rule on a contempt vote ( I haven't looked into that). The debate and vote are scheduled and then the full House votes. Simple majority carries.

If the measure passes, the Congress has now officially cited the witness for contempt. At that point, there are three different avenues that can be taken for enforcement. The first is already a nonstarter, so there's no point in even trying, unless they just want to make a point. That would be to refer the citation to the US Attorney for DC and ask them to enforce the citation with an arrest or prosecution. Since the US Attorney reports to the Attorney General, that ain't gonna happen. So let's move on.

The next possibility is for Congress to exercise its "inherent contempt" power, a rare tactic, which Congress hasn't done in nearly a century, but is being seriously considered. That could mean imposing a fine or instructing the Sergeant-at-Arms to arrest the subject and bring them before the body to answer the contempt charge. If they still don't comply, they would be held in custody until they do or until a judge orders them released. While it's possible to do this, it would be very difficult to pull this off logistically in many instances. It might be easier for a McGahn, who is a private citizen. But it's not clear how the Sergeant-at-Arms would go about arresting the Attorney General or other federal official under 24-7 protection of federal agents and whose homes and workplace are virtual fortresses. It will be interesting to see what happens if they go that route.

The third possibility is to go to court and ask it to enforce the citation. If the court rules that the subject must comply, failure to comply would result in a contempt of court citation, in addition to the contempt of Congress. In such cases, the court could enforce by, among other things ordering the US Marshals to arrest a subject.

The bottom line is that contempt of Congress citations aren't simple things and Nadler can't just snap his fingers and throw someone in jail because they didn't show up this morning..

I hope this is helpful. You can read more about the enforcement of Contempt of Congress citations here: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45653.pdf and here: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-congress-subpoena-explainer/explainer-how-hard-hitting-are-u-s-congress-subpoenas-contempt-citations-idUSKCN1SC1YE

All those in favor of impeachment say "aye"... AYE!!!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #1
I think they should delay just a bit more and then go for it. earthshine May 2019 #2
They aren't afraid of impeachment FBaggins May 2019 #3
Dems... myohmy2 May 2019 #4
That's not what history shows Nuggets May 2019 #13
How shocking that the public wasn't on the side of a murderer. shanny May 2019 #53
Shocking after public perception Nuggets May 2019 #58
Enforcing the constitutional balance of powers BlueWI May 2019 #23
We are NOT "looking weak." Why repeat lies Republicans and bots tell? We look great. Winning emmaverybo May 2019 #54
they believe the media spin about Clinton's approval ratings going up NewJeffCT May 2019 #5
If they impeach, the Senate will not convict, and Trump will spin it as another enough May 2019 #6
Bingo wryter2000 May 2019 #7
No party has every fared well in control post impeachment uponit7771 May 2019 #21
They would fare even worse wryter2000 May 2019 #25
Yep, I was for impeachment now until this point was made uponit7771 May 2019 #29
Thanks wryter2000 May 2019 #39
Trump will do this anyway Trump's irrational redactions is not a good reason to avoid impeachment uponit7771 May 2019 #20
That Isn't The Question Me. May 2019 #8
What you said. wryter2000 May 2019 #26
Thank You Me. May 2019 #28
Thank you StarfishSaver May 2019 #33
... Me. May 2019 #38
Exactly wryter2000 May 2019 #40
Please tell the author for me to drop dead. Hortensis May 2019 #9
Amen Nuggets May 2019 #14
Preach wryter2000 May 2019 #27
What a barbaric thing to say! earthshine May 2019 #34
The author of the article. These spins aren't innocent. Hortensis May 2019 #36
Post removed Post removed May 2019 #37
The Democrats aren't "scared of impeachment." They're just smart enough to do it right StarfishSaver May 2019 #10
This loyalsister May 2019 #11
Impulsivity, hysteria, impatience and the need to complain. Perfect storm when lack of political emmaverybo May 2019 #55
Without 20 GOP senate votes, impeachment is meaningless Gothmog May 2019 #12
This is historically false, the party of the impeached has never controlled anything post impeachmen uponit7771 May 2019 #19
I trust Speaker Pelosi Gothmog May 2019 #46
I'm not for impeaching red don now, just making sure it's known that there's few to no political ... uponit7771 May 2019 #48
Proceedings will reveal CRIMINALITY. Kid Berwyn May 2019 #15
Your aspirations do not match reality. Jakes Progress May 2019 #17
Televised impeachment hearings would unite the nation. Kid Berwyn May 2019 #24
Ahhh. Idealism. Jakes Progress May 2019 #43
No one is above the law. Kid Berwyn May 2019 #44
Again. You show a naive trust in republicans. Jakes Progress May 2019 #59
Aspirations of a free and fair election in 2020 don't match reality either. I don't believe for ... uponit7771 May 2019 #49
Oh, he will. He already is Jakes Progress May 2019 #60
Jumping the gun. ProudLib72 May 2019 #16
Inherent contempt is already in process. StarfishSaver May 2019 #22
Thanks. That's an excellent writeup! ProudLib72 May 2019 #30
House Democrats are carefully building their case on the subpoenas Gothmog May 2019 #47
There are few if any good political reasons against impeachment vote or process other uponit7771 May 2019 #18
If he is not impeached it will then be ok from doc03 May 2019 #31
I'm not afraid of impeachment. I'm afraid of putting the cart before the horse. Aristus May 2019 #32
I don't ever want you angry with me wryter2000 May 2019 #41
Me? Aristus May 2019 #42
Thanks wryter2000 May 2019 #45
From your lips to the Lady's eyes. From your mouth to God's ears. Hekate May 2019 #57
We aren't. But we would like it to stick. Hekate May 2019 #35
Senate GOP vows to quickly quash any impeachment charges Gothmog May 2019 #50
All I can say is that wrong is wrong, and the repugs are condoning rump's behavior and ... SWBTATTReg May 2019 #51
They are not "scared". It is a debate still_one May 2019 #52
Google "Bill Clinton Impeachment Trial, 1998". Initech May 2019 #56
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Why Are Democrats So Scar...»Reply #22