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Hekate

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31. I don't know about that "standard protocol" bit. Miss Manners is quite firm on the subject...
Tue May 28, 2019, 10:56 PM
May 2019

...of correct American manners when greeting or being introduced to foreign dignitaries of any stripe, and in our country this goes back to 1776. Dignity and simplicity.

Protocol, page 591
Curtsying, page 594
Regarding the privileges of royalty: "...they do not have the right to receive physical obeisance from American citizens." This includes curtsying, bending the knee, touching one's forehead to the ground, etc.

Page 596: And from Queen Victoria herself do an American woman who wondered what to do next after their introduction (subjects would curtsy or bow and back out of the room): "You need not curtsy, but turn and walk out."

Miss Manners' Guide to Excruciatingly Correct Behavior, by Judith Martin


Altho Miss Manners believes in the American handshake (and how I wish Trump would stick to that instead of giving a military salute to dictators), I think President Obama was correct to give a slight formal bow to the aged Emperor of Japan for two reasons: first, as far as I could tell it was a degree of bow as between equals; second, Obama is so much taller than Emperor Akihito that even shaking hands would have caused him to need to bend over.

I wouldn't either... Wounded Bear May 2019 #1
I suspect that she would have met with President Obama at this point in her maternity leave renate May 2019 #2
I knew she wouldn't. She despises him. Perhaps they all do, but unlike the others, she was an open lunamagica May 2019 #3
Good for her. I think if it was the Obamas she would not only rzemanfl May 2019 #4
Rather likely. But good for her for pleading her health at this time; it has the advantage ... Hekate May 2019 #5
Drumpf will have an alternative. n/t rzemanfl May 2019 #15
Obama'd be laughing at little fingers grabbing his nose. Hortensis May 2019 #12
Or stopping his crying...remember that incident when he calmed a crying baby even when CTyankee May 2019 #16
Yes! I remember that. Obama was great through the entire incident. lunatica May 2019 #23
Oh, yes. Reminds me perversely of poor George Hortensis May 2019 #26
100%! DesertRat May 2019 #18
good for her. She has an excellant excuse not to meet the creepy Trump riversedge May 2019 #6
I certainly don't blame her, but I would have loved to see Ivanka have to curtsy to her StarfishSaver May 2019 #7
YES! elleng May 2019 #9
Except that Americans are not required to curtsy to PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #14
Neither would I lunatica May 2019 #24
It's not required, but it's standard protocol for American officials, except presidents and StarfishSaver May 2019 #27
Well, good for Jackie I suppose, but ordinary citizens PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #30
I don't know about that "standard protocol" bit. Miss Manners is quite firm on the subject... Hekate May 2019 #31
Miss Manners isn't the arbiter of State Department protocol StarfishSaver May 2019 #32
She had enough throwing up TexasBushwhacker May 2019 #8
Oh, SNAP!!!!!!! MyOwnPeace May 2019 #17
Good point. Also shows she has some principles. IMO. Evolve Dammit May 2019 #19
If I had a choice I wouldn't even be in the same country as tRump. nt yaesu May 2019 #10
Good for her! smirkymonkey May 2019 #11
I like her more and more. nt Honeycombe8 May 2019 #13
Harry should take a "new daddy" leave. KY_EnviroGuy May 2019 #20
Meeting trump would make her milk sour Horse with no Name May 2019 #21
She is snubbing him GETPLANING May 2019 #22
You're right.... paleotn May 2019 #25
Wise choice. It would be like having morning sickness all over again meeting with him... FM123 May 2019 #28
*GO* (not "girl") - you human you! UTUSN May 2019 #29
Pretty significant that it is an American doing the snubbing. May should also. Irishxs May 2019 #33
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