Well, I will say this: Cowardice or excuse-making won't even hold us the House. (Reply #44)

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Sat Jun 1, 2019, 02:00 PM

calimary (61,673 posts)

44. Well, I will say this: Cowardice or excuse-making won't even hold us the House.

We need to fight for this!

We need to show OUR base we’ve got the backbone they voted for! AND Independents, too.

I, for one, am SICK and TIRED of hearing all the handwringing over trump’s base. (FUCK ‘em!)

And what are they gonna think? (FUCK ‘em! Who cares what they think? They’re not with us anyway!)

I, for one, didn’t work like hell for two years to help flip the House of Reps, to give them the power and clout to get this shot done just to have the Dems wimp out because fill-in-the-excuse-here.

And I do not want to hear how we “just have to vote him out in 2020”. HELL NO! That’s a nonstarter. Nobody seems to want to remember that the Russians haven’t gone away, NOR has ANYTHING been done to lock them out of our social media or our election systems!

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83 replies	Author	Time	Post
I think the alleged conventional wisdom is wrong. I think Dems retake the Senate BY Impeaching Trump [View all]	Tom Rinaldo	Jun 2019	OP
A voice of reason in the wilderness	watoos	Jun 2019	#1
Sadly, wishful thinking is not reason. Wouldn't it be wonderful	Hortensis	Jun 2019	#40
Excellent post!! Let's impeach the lyin' traitor already... history won't wait much longer!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Jun 2019	#2
We owe it to the future to impeach this asshole now.	diverdownjt	Jun 2019	#69
Reasonable reasoning!	northoftheborder	Jun 2019	#3
You make a good argument, and retaking the Senate would be huge. n/t	Hoyt	Jun 2019	#4
Lay out the case in public	Bettie	Jun 2019	#5
Exactly! Maher's panel agreed with you.	Duppers	Jun 2019	#20
I agree for all the same reasons	htuttle	Jun 2019	#6
This might just work....	FM123	Jun 2019	#7
Absolutely!	brutus smith	Jun 2019	#35
Is that you Spock? nt	G_j	Jun 2019	#8
It's a far stronger argument against them if they clear him in the Senate...	TCJ70	Jun 2019	#9
Agree 100%. We're looking like wimps; too afraid to start.	sinkingfeeling	Jun 2019	#10
K&R...	spanone	Jun 2019	#11
Agreed but the main reason to impeach is to get the attention of the masses.	honest.abe	Jun 2019	#12
100% agreed. Thank you	sharedvalues	Jun 2019	#13
Absolutely	NRaleighLiberal	Jun 2019	#14
Kick	dalton99a	Jun 2019	#15
I totally agree.	world wide wally	Jun 2019	#16
Exactly right	Ligyron	Jun 2019	#17
Convincing argument. The impact on senate elections wasn't something I had considered.	Politicub	Jun 2019	#18
I really think . . .	Richard D	Jun 2019	#19
Amash got a standing ovation	watoos	Jun 2019	#21
Moscow Mitch.	mwooldri	Jun 2019	#22
I was wondering that myself. How big a wrench can he throw into the works?	LiberalLovinLug	Jun 2019	#27
That is my main concern, and I am for impeaching.	pangaia	Jun 2019	#76
While I see the danger, I also think the best way forward is to impeach	LiberalLovinLug	Jun 2019	#23
Recommended.	H2O Man	Jun 2019	#24
K&R Thanks for emphasizing those points.	alwaysinasnit	Jun 2019	#25
A great big ol' K & R!	50 Shades Of Blue	Jun 2019	#26
Which is why Pelosi is waiting	aeromanKC	Jun 2019	#28
If the Republicans "obstruct" directly or indirectly the Senate trail of Trump	Tom Rinaldo	Jun 2019	#31
If we win the Senate, there will be a Democratic leader---not Mitch!	Doitnow	Jun 2019	#41
and another K & R	Nevermypresident	Jun 2019	#29
I TOTALLY AGREE!!!	WestCoastDem42	Jun 2019	#30
Also, looking strictly at the numbers....	kentuck	Jun 2019	#32
Totally agree.	pdsimdars	Jun 2019	#33
Absolutely agree.	warmfeet	Jun 2019	#34
Very good perspective. 👍	sprinkleeninow	Jun 2019	#36
+1 entirely agree!	JackInGreen	Jun 2019	#37
i think we don't know.	barbtries	Jun 2019	#38
Thank you. Well said.	mountain grammy	Jun 2019	#39
That has been my thought too.	LiberalFighter	Jun 2019	#42
agreed and kicked	superpatriotman	Jun 2019	#43
Well, I will say this: Cowardice or excuse-making won't even hold us the House.	calimary	Jun 2019	#44
well said n/t	orleans	Jun 2019	#54
Great points! I agree.	Silver Gaia	Jun 2019	#58
Agree with almost everything, except the "FUCK 'em!" part	rufus dog	Jun 2019	#68
.	calimary	Jun 2019	#78
"face the anger of Trump's core Republican followers to remove Trump from office"	lambchopp59	Jun 2019	#45
I agree. I think we're fumbling away our chance to energize independent voters who didn't	jalan48	Jun 2019	#46
My thoughts as well....	paleotn	Jun 2019	#47
Yup. That's my thinking, too.	Silver Gaia	Jun 2019	#60
Absolute agree!	rusty fender	Jun 2019	#48
Exactly.	mnhtnbb	Jun 2019	#49
Sounds reasonable. In any event Dems showing some guts in dealing with scumbag would be refreshing.	mart48	Jun 2019	#50
Great read	Lunabell	Jun 2019	#51
Totally agree: Make the R Sens' vote against impeachment defeat them in purple states.	stuffmatters	Jun 2019	#52
That's why I think impeachment should be timed to take place just before the election.	backscatter712	Jun 2019	#53
I agree	grantcart	Jun 2019	#55
I'm an impeachment flip flopper. But I think this might be the best strategy.	Buckeyeblue	Jun 2019	#56
K & R! A Higher, Bolder and More Enlightened Way of Political Reasoning About Impeachment!	panfluteman	Jun 2019	#57
I whole-heartedly agree!	Silver Gaia	Jun 2019	#59
I fully agree	patphil	Jun 2019	#61
I believe you're ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!	ElementaryPenguin	Jun 2019	#62
We have to confront reality: we don't know the effect of a paper impeachment.	Honeycombe8	Jun 2019	#63
I'm of the mind that it will be a neutral effect.	Turin_C3PO	Jun 2019	#65
Right On! I've been saying this all along.	rgbecker	Jun 2019	#64
Agreed great points to consider	kimbutgar	Jun 2019	#66
I'm ready to roll those dice...	Blue Owl	Jun 2019	#67
Tom, thank you	saidsimplesimon	Jun 2019	#70
I think the majority of the people in this country don't know what is in the Mueller Report.	friend of m and j	Jun 2019	#71
Thanks for sharing this, friend. And welcome to DU! nt	pnwmom	Jun 2019	#73
I fully agree with your intro	Tom Rinaldo	Jun 2019	#79
Great post. Thanks, Tom! nt	pnwmom	Jun 2019	#72
Once there are televised hearings with witnesses	DeminPennswoods	Jun 2019	#74
That was true with Nixon, who won 49 states in the 1972 election and over 60% of the popular vote	Tom Rinaldo	Jun 2019	#80
Yes. Thank you.	D23MIURG23	Jun 2019	#75
Yes	roscoeroscoe	Jun 2019	#77
EXACTLY. Doing what's right brings public witness to what leadership IS. They'll vote accordingly.	ancianita	Jun 2019	#81
It's about timing. Dem leadership needs to act when the public questions its leadership, not later.	ancianita	Jun 2019	#82
"Make America America Again" I like it! n/t	Tom Rinaldo	Jun 2019	#83

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