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Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
79. I fully agree with your intro
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 12:23 PM
Jun 2019

A formal impeachment inquiry solidifies the Democratic House's standing in federal courts when seeking cooperation and/or documents from witnesses. At that point there would be no remaining issues of "legislative intent" relevancy when the House is involved in a procedure laid out by the Constitution. Once the high constitutional impeachment remedy for resolving disputes between branches of our Federal government is invoked, the federal courts will be impelled to fast track cases before the judiciary involving those disputes to the Supreme Court level judiciously. I think it is our best shot at gaining Congressional access to those witnesses and evidence in a timely manner.

But even were that not the case, even were Democrats reduced to reading portions of the Mueller Report out loud to expert legal authorities to comment on during open session, millions more Americans would become aware of those findings through that process. For a sports analogy, relatively few Americans tune in live to a televised broadcast of a regular season baseball game. Standard congressional oversight hearings are like a regular season baseball game. Few will see them, some will catch a few highlights after the fact, more will scan the headlines later just to see "who won". Impeachment hearings though are different. They are the equivalent of a World Series game. It can be the exact same two teams that played against each other a month ago during the regular season with the same players, for the same nine innings, using the same rules; but live viewership geometrically increases for a World Series game. The same is true of impeachment vs standard oversight hearings.

A voice of reason in the wilderness watoos Jun 2019 #1
Sadly, wishful thinking is not reason. Wouldn't it be wonderful Hortensis Jun 2019 #40
Excellent post!! Let's impeach the lyin' traitor already... history won't wait much longer! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #2
We owe it to the future to impeach this asshole now. diverdownjt Jun 2019 #69
Reasonable reasoning! northoftheborder Jun 2019 #3
You make a good argument, and retaking the Senate would be huge. n/t Hoyt Jun 2019 #4
Lay out the case in public Bettie Jun 2019 #5
Exactly! Maher's panel agreed with you. Duppers Jun 2019 #20
I agree for all the same reasons htuttle Jun 2019 #6
This might just work.... FM123 Jun 2019 #7
Absolutely! brutus smith Jun 2019 #35
Is that you Spock? nt G_j Jun 2019 #8
It's a far stronger argument against them if they clear him in the Senate... TCJ70 Jun 2019 #9
Agree 100%. We're looking like wimps; too afraid to start. sinkingfeeling Jun 2019 #10
K&R... spanone Jun 2019 #11
Agreed but the main reason to impeach is to get the attention of the masses. honest.abe Jun 2019 #12
100% agreed. Thank you sharedvalues Jun 2019 #13
Absolutely NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #14
Kick dalton99a Jun 2019 #15
I totally agree. world wide wally Jun 2019 #16
Exactly right Ligyron Jun 2019 #17
Convincing argument. The impact on senate elections wasn't something I had considered. Politicub Jun 2019 #18
I really think . . . Richard D Jun 2019 #19
Amash got a standing ovation watoos Jun 2019 #21
Moscow Mitch. mwooldri Jun 2019 #22
I was wondering that myself. How big a wrench can he throw into the works? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2019 #27
That is my main concern, and I am for impeaching. pangaia Jun 2019 #76
While I see the danger, I also think the best way forward is to impeach LiberalLovinLug Jun 2019 #23
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2019 #24
K&R Thanks for emphasizing those points. alwaysinasnit Jun 2019 #25
A great big ol' K & R! 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2019 #26
Which is why Pelosi is waiting aeromanKC Jun 2019 #28
If the Republicans "obstruct" directly or indirectly the Senate trail of Trump Tom Rinaldo Jun 2019 #31
If we win the Senate, there will be a Democratic leader---not Mitch! Doitnow Jun 2019 #41
and another K & R Nevermypresident Jun 2019 #29
I TOTALLY AGREE!!! WestCoastDem42 Jun 2019 #30
Also, looking strictly at the numbers.... kentuck Jun 2019 #32
Totally agree. pdsimdars Jun 2019 #33
Absolutely agree. warmfeet Jun 2019 #34
Very good perspective. 👍 sprinkleeninow Jun 2019 #36
+1 entirely agree! JackInGreen Jun 2019 #37
i think we don't know. barbtries Jun 2019 #38
Thank you. Well said. mountain grammy Jun 2019 #39
That has been my thought too. LiberalFighter Jun 2019 #42
agreed and kicked superpatriotman Jun 2019 #43
Well, I will say this: Cowardice or excuse-making won't even hold us the House. calimary Jun 2019 #44
well said n/t orleans Jun 2019 #54
Great points! I agree. Silver Gaia Jun 2019 #58
Agree with almost everything, except the "FUCK 'em!" part rufus dog Jun 2019 #68
. calimary Jun 2019 #78
"face the anger of Trump's core Republican followers to remove Trump from office" lambchopp59 Jun 2019 #45
I agree. I think we're fumbling away our chance to energize independent voters who didn't jalan48 Jun 2019 #46
My thoughts as well.... paleotn Jun 2019 #47
Yup. That's my thinking, too. Silver Gaia Jun 2019 #60
Absolute agree! rusty fender Jun 2019 #48
Exactly. mnhtnbb Jun 2019 #49
Sounds reasonable. In any event Dems showing some guts in dealing with scumbag would be refreshing. mart48 Jun 2019 #50
Great read Lunabell Jun 2019 #51
Totally agree: Make the R Sens' vote against impeachment defeat them in purple states. stuffmatters Jun 2019 #52
That's why I think impeachment should be timed to take place just before the election. backscatter712 Jun 2019 #53
I agree grantcart Jun 2019 #55
I'm an impeachment flip flopper. But I think this might be the best strategy. Buckeyeblue Jun 2019 #56
K & R! A Higher, Bolder and More Enlightened Way of Political Reasoning About Impeachment! panfluteman Jun 2019 #57
I whole-heartedly agree! Silver Gaia Jun 2019 #59
I fully agree patphil Jun 2019 #61
I believe you're ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! ElementaryPenguin Jun 2019 #62
We have to confront reality: we don't know the effect of a paper impeachment. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #63
I'm of the mind that it will be a neutral effect. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #65
Right On! I've been saying this all along. rgbecker Jun 2019 #64
Agreed great points to consider kimbutgar Jun 2019 #66
I'm ready to roll those dice... Blue Owl Jun 2019 #67
Tom, thank you saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #70
I think the majority of the people in this country don't know what is in the Mueller Report. friend of m and j Jun 2019 #71
Thanks for sharing this, friend. And welcome to DU! nt pnwmom Jun 2019 #73
I fully agree with your intro Tom Rinaldo Jun 2019 #79
Great post. Thanks, Tom! nt pnwmom Jun 2019 #72
Once there are televised hearings with witnesses DeminPennswoods Jun 2019 #74
That was true with Nixon, who won 49 states in the 1972 election and over 60% of the popular vote Tom Rinaldo Jun 2019 #80
Yes. Thank you. D23MIURG23 Jun 2019 #75
Yes roscoeroscoe Jun 2019 #77
EXACTLY. Doing what's right brings public witness to what leadership IS. They'll vote accordingly. ancianita Jun 2019 #81
It's about timing. Dem leadership needs to act when the public questions its leadership, not later. ancianita Jun 2019 #82
"Make America America Again" I like it! n/t Tom Rinaldo Jun 2019 #83
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