There is "such a thing as needing Congress to declare a [war]" to charge treason. (Reply #122)

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Sun Jul 28, 2019, 10:16 PM

lapucelle (11,866 posts)

122. There is "such a thing as needing Congress to declare a [war]" to charge treason.

Official Declarations of War by Congress

The Constitution grants Congress the sole power to declare war. Congress has declared war on 11 occasions, including its first declaration of war with Great Britain in 1812. Congress approved its last formal declaration of war during World War II.

Since that time it has agreed to resolutions authorizing the use of military force and continues to shape U.S. military policy through appropriations and oversight.

https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/h_multi_sections_and_teasers/WarDeclarationsbyCongress.htm

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141 replies	Author	Time	Post
Something is NOT RIGHT. Mueller let Trump get away with TREASON. Just like Flynn wasn't charged [View all]	triron	Jul 2019	OP
He could not indict him.	drray23	Jul 2019	#1
And congress won't do it	Bettie	Jul 2019	#15
He could have. Or he could have gone on a public relations bltz.	EndGOPPropaganda	Jul 2019	#77
Here we go again. nt	Codeine	Jul 2019	#2
😂	live love laugh	Jul 2019	#7
head meet wall...	stillcool	Jul 2019	#26
How can we not?	Codeine	Jul 2019	#28
Oy...	stillcool	Jul 2019	#31
Ditto.	sheshe2	Jul 2019	#106
Hasn't this been discussed ad nauseam?	The Velveteen Ocelot	Jul 2019	#3
That does not address why Mueller has let Trump get away with it.	triron	Jul 2019	#6
For the umpteenth time, Mueller didn't indict him because the OLC memos	The Velveteen Ocelot	Jul 2019	#8
Why wasn't Jr. indicted?	ecstatic	Jul 2019	#9
And some others. Mueller also didn't have to indict Trump to accomplish what I said.	triron	Jul 2019	#11
You said:	sheshe2	Jul 2019	#108
Possibly because the evidene didn't support indictment??	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#19
Bullshit. I wish people would stop acting like you must have proof of a crime to indict.	Solomon	Jul 2019	#34
Thank you! About time someone spoke up about this.	triron	Jul 2019	#35
" I wish people would stop acting like you must have proof of a crime to indict."	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#38
Yes, Really. All you need is probable cause.	Solomon	Jul 2019	#45
+1	Nevermypresident	Jul 2019	#52
Probable cause is based on a standard of proof...not suposition..	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#63
Yep, and the drip, drip, drip shows the probable cause...	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#67
No votes were changed..didn't happen	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#68
Yes they were...it did indeed.	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#69
Source that claim....this should be interesing	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#74
Yawn	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#82
Jeeezuz guy. Give it up. There's nothing	Solomon	Jul 2019	#84
nice to have some expertise.	triron	Jul 2019	#86
What do you think probable cause is? Stop and Frisk. Do you support that?	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#98
wow. you'd think you'd give it up while you're ahead	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#101
Whoopsie. Oh, ouch. 😁	sprinkleeninow	Jul 2019	#126
Former prosecuter from SDNY says most indictments are the result of circumstantial evidence	Cetacea	Jul 2019	#130
So why would the OLC memo limit his scope??	triron	Jul 2019	#131
I repeat, same question. Really curious about your statement.	triron	Jul 2019	#132
There are ongoing probes and pending indictments.	Cetacea	Jul 2019	#133
Thank you for the explanation/clarification.	triron	Jul 2019	#134
Sure. I'm guessing that the real "meat" lies in the Grand Jury testimonials.	Cetacea	Jul 2019	#135
Yes that is quite strange isn't it?	triron	Jul 2019	#136
+1000. nt	ecstatic	Jul 2019	#53
Thank you for highlighting this very important truth. nt	COLGATE4	Jul 2019	#54
You need evidence for a grand jury. You cannot just indict someone.	wasupaloopa	Jul 2019	#57
(Rolls eyes) nobody is talking about indicting without evidence.	Solomon	Jul 2019	#58
Evidence isn't proof...Ok wow.. Evidence is the basis of "proof"	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#62
and no one is indicting without evidence.	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#70
Lol. You're hilarious.	Solomon	Jul 2019	#85
Source ONE prosecuter that would do a charging motion to a Judge	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#96
Source ONE example of them actually examining voting machines.	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#102
That's the key question. While Mueller might have been constrained from indicting trump,	Hoyt	Jul 2019	#29
it's possible that Jr was one of the 12 cases	NewJeffCT	Jul 2019	#41
Of course there is...I guess President's sons are above the law too now.	Nevermypresident	Jul 2019	#51
That is not what Mueller said in the report.	former9thward	Jul 2019	#32
Here's what the report said:	The Velveteen Ocelot	Jul 2019	#33
You are ignoring what he said at the beginning of the afternoon session.	former9thward	Jul 2019	#44
Not exactly. Here's what he said:	The Velveteen Ocelot	Jul 2019	#48
Thank you. nt	sheshe2	Jul 2019	#109
yawn	proud patriot	Jul 2019	#4
Ooooh the	obnoxiousdrunk	Jul 2019	#5
Flynn is still waiting sentencing.	watoos	Jul 2019	#10
I know. But he won't be charged with treason.	triron	Jul 2019	#12
He also won't be charged with bestiality,	Codeine	Jul 2019	#13
;)	sheshe2	Jul 2019	#110
Because he didn't comit treason..a good reason not to be charged	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#14
The OP knows this,	Codeine	Jul 2019	#16
Gotcha...	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#17
Yes, but this time it's TREASON. The caps make the difference. N/T	lapucelle	Jul 2019	#114
aid and comfort to a hostile foreign government that attacked us	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#20
Actually it isn't....you need a declared "enemy"	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#23
actually...you don't need a "declared enemy" since RUSSIA'S attack declared themselves	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#24
What????	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#37
Russia declared the war when they committed the act of war.	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#43
Can you give another example of countries that were at war with each other	onenote	Jul 2019	#50
Can YOU give another example of a foreign government hacking a super power	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#55
Good post.	triron	Jul 2019	#56
So you can't answer onenotes question ..right?	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#97
So you can't answer mine, right?	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#100
Attacking our elections systems is tantamount to an attack on democracy and our national security.	triron	Jul 2019	#105
Then I guess you don't know what is.	onenote	Jul 2019	#118
Actually not....We have to declare a war...	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#65
That is patently untrue...we do not have to declare a war	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#66
For Treason you need a "war"....	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#75
Sort of. You need an "enemy", which is strictly defined	Codeine	Jul 2019	#78
You are DEAD WRONG...like 100% wrong about that.	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#103
Thanks. And besides we will never declare war against a rival nuclear power. Won't happen.	triron	Jul 2019	#107
and beside that, acting like they can't declare on war on US is pretense...and deza. nt	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#111
I think these naysayers are referring to the treason as defined in the U.S. constitution	triron	Jul 2019	#115
You think the problem with the "naysayers" is that they're looking at the Constitution?	lapucelle	Jul 2019	#125
Deza? Dezinformatsiya? That's an interesting choice of words.	lapucelle	Jul 2019	#120
There is "such a thing as needing Congress to declare a [war]" to charge treason.	lapucelle	Jul 2019	#122
Obama did not terminate diplomatic relations with Russia	onenote	Jul 2019	#119
Robert Hansenn too	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#121
Treason is defined in the Article III. Section 3 of the Constitution.	lapucelle	Jul 2019	#113
The legal definition of "enemy" is here:	triron	Jul 2019	#128
Yes. I saw it.	lapucelle	Jul 2019	#129
We've been through this	Codeine	Jul 2019	#27
Putin programs Trump in secret.	Kid Berwyn	Jul 2019	#18
Wait WUT?	ismnotwasm	Jul 2019	#21
He can't. It's just warrgarbl	Codeine	Jul 2019	#25
not this again... sigh.	Joe941	Jul 2019	#22
Come on now...	Caliman73	Jul 2019	#30
Partly agree with you. I still call it treason, say what you will.	triron	Jul 2019	#36
You can call it a square dance......but it's NOT Treason	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#39
Accepting help from an enemy attacking USA sure is.	Kid Berwyn	Jul 2019	#40
The words of the Constitutional "treason" provision have specific meanings	onenote	Jul 2019	#47
Russia attacked the US. Trump is "OK" with that.	Kid Berwyn	Jul 2019	#61
Russia diddled the election under President Obama....	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#64
Holy crap...that is why he sanctioned them...and yes, I want to	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#71
also...they didn't "diddle"...they ATTACKED THE USA	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#72
Facebook posts, twitter posts, isn't an attack....it's agitprop	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#73
Nice try there...NO DICE HACKING our voter files is an act of war	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#81
Why are there DUers still using diminutive terms to describe Russia's attack on our democracy with	triron	Jul 2019	#76
Its lame when people use words incorrectly,	Codeine	Jul 2019	#79
And your point is? Wait for it.....	triron	Jul 2019	#83
Do you like to waste readers' time?	Kid Berwyn	Jul 2019	#87
McConnell's wife Elaine Chao is Treasury secretary in the Trump administration	triron	Jul 2019	#88
Not wasting time...if you make a claim...back it. Should be easy..right?	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#99
Definitely wasting time.	Baltimike	Jul 2019	#104
Why do you argue Russia election interference isn't an attack?	Kid Berwyn	Jul 2019	#123
If congress had declared war on Russia for attacking our elections,	at140	Jul 2019	#117
Treason is a crime with very specific and narrow elements that must be fulfilled.	lapucelle	Jul 2019	#124
I believe with all my heart that Mueller--a ReTHUG--is deliberately protecting Trump.	She_Totally_Gets_It	Jul 2019	#42
And what do you believe with all your heart about the many others who know	onenote	Jul 2019	#46
There's a difference between what I believe and what Mueller says the facts are...	She_Totally_Gets_It	Jul 2019	#60
Mueller doesn't have power of prosecution?	Blue_Tires	Jul 2019	#49
He followed a memo that is not law and not in the sacred constitution as far as I know	Meowmee	Jul 2019	#59
+1000	smirkymonkey	Jul 2019	#89
I agree. Trump pulled a double whammy on our nation and is getting away scott free so far.	triron	Jul 2019	#90
Yep 😳😿	Meowmee	Jul 2019	#91
Word. eom	sprinkleeninow	Jul 2019	#127
rump and company destroyed evidence, lied and obstructed justice.....and all of it worked up to a	UniteFightBack	Jul 2019	#80
Guess we will see up to what point.	triron	Jul 2019	#139
Hopefully sooner than much later (when it's too late).	triron	Jul 2019	#140
knr	triron	Jul 2019	#92
kick again	triron	Jul 2019	#93
kick again	triron	Jul 2019	#94
kick again	triron	Jul 2019	#95
Disagree .... wait until we see the redacted parts of the Mueller report.	Botany	Jul 2019	#112
Why? There is already abundant evidence Trump committed treason (more than once).	triron	Jul 2019	#116
kick for visibility	triron	Jul 2019	#137
Again.	triron	Jul 2019	#138
When will Flynn be sentenced?	triron	Aug 2019	#141

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