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stopdiggin

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57. unfortunately, again. it's not, by a long shot, confined to Rs!

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:23 PM

Sep 2019

plenty of people on the left have come to the conclusion that "well, THIS isn't working" so they're willing to take their chances on "starting over." Again, whatever the F*** "starting over" means. We're all going to cross the Potomac in the middle of the night? Please! But anyway .. "shaking things up, " with that being the sum total of political consideration (thought involved) is quite popular on the left as well. And, as you point out .. you get very few winners (and those mostly the carrion birds) and a whole lot of losers when you're "solution" to things involves rattling the dice in the cup.

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Nicely stated: former ethics chief Richard Painter on impeachment [View all] hlthe2b Sep 2019 OP

Situation is not that black and white. Timing is crucial. empedocles Sep 2019 #1

It is a concept being discussed not an immediate directive. hlthe2b Sep 2019 #7

The Speaker's operating position is much more nuanced than a Senate acquittal makes empedocles Sep 2019 #8

I don't necessarily disagree with the precise timing issue, but the argument that is addressed hlthe2b Sep 2019 #9

The key is winning the House and Senate, and what it takes to get there. empedocles Sep 2019 #16

Successfully timed impeachment must remove him from office wryter2000 Sep 2019 #17

I think the timing reflects a need to do so to fully inform (and perhaps incite) the populace just hlthe2b Sep 2019 #22

Exactly wryter2000 Sep 2019 #30

Timing is important. That includes waiting too long. LiberalLovinLug Sep 2019 #23

time is not on our side bdamomma Sep 2019 #48

Yeah the sooner the better. Should have happened already, triron Sep 2019 #14

Yes Timing is crucial. It needs to start NOW. spanone Sep 2019 #61

It HAS atarted StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #62

It will also put a permanent stain on his historical record. Ego ... Guilded Lilly Sep 2019 #2

yes, but stopdiggin Sep 2019 #3

American public is badly misled by complicit media. triron Sep 2019 #15

and an unfortunate amount stopdiggin Sep 2019 #24

shaking things up bdamomma Sep 2019 #49

unfortunately, again. it's not, by a long shot, confined to Rs! stopdiggin Sep 2019 #57

Well put. world wide wally Sep 2019 #4

impeachment is underway Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #5

100+ True Blue American Sep 2019 #12

I could sure use more public hearings wryter2000 Sep 2019 #20

Doesn't seem that way. I know you are correct berni_mccoy Sep 2019 #29

Nancy hasn't said impeachment is underway SHRED Sep 2019 #31

Get all of the repub senators on record. panader0 Sep 2019 #6

"Voters know that" - I disagree gratuitous Sep 2019 #10

Yes, and of course Trump won't give a sh*t because himself and Republicans will paint it as a OnDoutside Sep 2019 #42

Well said BigOleDummy Sep 2019 #11

So what happens when... Catch2.2 Sep 2019 #13

Dems in Congress don't get to say who gets charged with crimes. wryter2000 Sep 2019 #21

Then what are they waiting for? Catch2.2 Sep 2019 #40

that's happened a few times bdamomma Sep 2019 #50

Yeah Catch2.2 Sep 2019 #54

Exactly. nt KPN Sep 2019 #18

Whether an acquittal has 'credibility' or not is not the issue. Aristus Sep 2019 #19

And another thing SayItLoud Sep 2019 #25

I don't think it'll change anyone's opinion of Donnie Two Scoops either way. marble falls Sep 2019 #26

Speaker Pelosi has a different objective in mind FakeNoose Sep 2019 #27

He has a hell of a lot zentrum Sep 2019 #28

Did the President break the law? SHRED Sep 2019 #32

Yes, he clearly seems to have, but there is a reason that is not the standard... hlthe2b Sep 2019 #33

a lot of people just cannot seem to understand that Skittles Sep 2019 #34

Oh, Nancy won't like this. egduj Sep 2019 #35

Many, warmfeet Sep 2019 #36

Of course that's true. soldierant Sep 2019 #37

If you watched Rachel the other night, you saw her talk about two things Trump did: PatrickforO Sep 2019 #38

yes, like how many bdamomma Sep 2019 #52

Impeachment proceedings have already begun StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #58

Acknowledged. They have indeed. PatrickforO Sep 2019 #60

K & R SunSeeker Sep 2019 #39

K&R. Mike Niendorff Sep 2019 #41

Impeachment isn't useless IF it moves public opinion in Hortensis Sep 2019 #43

Painter has been complaining all summer that the Democrats hadn't moved on impeachment StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #44

We have moved forward with impeachment investigation, Hortensis Sep 2019 #47

Articles of impeachment are drafted and voted on AFTER the investigation StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #56

I didn't realize he was claiming it didn't start over a month ago Hortensis Sep 2019 #59

They don't even have to send it on to the Senate. calimary Sep 2019 #46

Yes! A very interesting option, if it holds legally. Hortensis Sep 2019 #53

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THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! calimary Sep 2019 #45