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FBaggins

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17. Probably not in this case because we would likely lose
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 09:15 PM
Sep 2019

Most of these signing statement scenarios relate to congressional arrogation of power that the courts have struck down when it gets to them.

Congress still passes such laws, but doesn't usually fight them in court any longer (lest they been thrown out). They just whine about it when the executive blows them off.

In this case... that's ok... because the administration is clearly in violation of the plain language of the law. Schiff can point fingers all day long and make them look like they're trying to hide something (which they likely are) and the administration will be seen as acting like the law doesn't apply to them (which it doesn't... but saying so won't look good).

On edit - oooh... even better. It looks like Schiff knows at least some of the substance of the whistleblowing. Some of it is leaking. Now Trump will have to get angry at an illegal leak that at least looks like Congress should have been given it.

I would support sending the House Seargent at Arms to detain this guy TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #1
Just heard Digby make a great point ok_cpu Sep 2019 #2
That actually defeats the argument FBaggins Sep 2019 #4
He is violating a statute passed by the Congress and signed by a President... Thomas Hurt Sep 2019 #6
He is... but did Congress have the authority in the first place? FBaggins Sep 2019 #8
On the other hand Congress does have the power of the purse that they can wield and withhold cstanleytech Sep 2019 #12
Could the House withhold salary funds for 'acting' directors until they are confirmed Captain Zero Sep 2019 #28
This is why line item veto isn't actually a thing that exists...because Volaris Sep 2019 #21
The signing statement itself has little effect FBaggins Sep 2019 #22
'You can have this money, but...' Volaris Sep 2019 #23
Congress can only appropriate money... it can't manage the spending of it directly. FBaggins Sep 2019 #24
Well if the Executive has the power to spend the money congress appropriates Volaris Sep 2019 #25
Apologies if I oversimplified it. That isn't what I meant FBaggins Sep 2019 #30
They could however attache a warning to the money that if its used for x or x instead that cstanleytech Sep 2019 #31
They could do something like that verbally or as a memo FBaggins Sep 2019 #32
Either way they do have the ability to apply pressure with the power of the purse but it cstanleytech Sep 2019 #33
I get what you're saying ok_cpu Sep 2019 #7
But the Legislative Branch of the People is "more equal" than the other two. kentuck Sep 2019 #9
Arguably true... but not relevant here FBaggins Sep 2019 #10
They are "co-equal" for the purpose of governing. kentuck Sep 2019 #11
Just the opposite in fact FBaggins Sep 2019 #13
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2019 #18
Yay! Another lawsuit we'll win in 5 or so years. gldstwmn Sep 2019 #16
Probably not in this case because we would likely lose FBaggins Sep 2019 #17
and yet, he has lindysalsagal Sep 2019 #3
He has because they have let him. I am sure there is a politician that can figure out the answer Maraya1969 Sep 2019 #5
the whole "send officers to arrest" seems highly unlikely stopdiggin Sep 2019 #27
No! Because damn it I am so sick of Democrats saying, "This won't work" "You can't do that" Maraya1969 Sep 2019 #29
I like your spirit stopdiggin Sep 2019 #34
And if he refuses to pay the $25,000 a day? What then? Kablooie Sep 2019 #14
It's all the rage now. gldstwmn Sep 2019 #15
Yes malaise Sep 2019 #19
once you have shown a willingness to roll over and over Skittles Sep 2019 #20
These GOPers only care about money and power dawg day Sep 2019 #26
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