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In reply to the discussion: Message to Llewlladdwr & all other Southerners: Perspective on the South bashing. [View all]flamingdem
(39,992 posts)56. Here's something about the North South conflict moving into the Civil war
http://www.journalofamericanhistory.org/projects/lincoln/contents/grinspan.html
These feelings have been around a LONG time.
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Young Men for War: The Wide Awakes and Lincolns 1860 Presidential Campaign
A band of sleepy Gotham politicians gathered in a Manhattan tavern late one evening in 1860. It was a windy Thursday night, and the atmosphere inside the dimly lit establishment was subdued. The bosses ordered ale and settled into a lazy debate about the usual political topics. They cursed the Republican party, analyzed their presidential ticket, and worried about the possibility of secession, all while getting steadily drunker in the cozy tavern.
They first heard the noise around midnight. From uptown came the clash of a marching band followed by the advancing tread of hundreds of boots on the cobblestones of the Bowery. Soon the stench of burning oil filled their nostrils, and the taverns dark windows began to glow from the outside. Tipsy and curious, the insiders spilled out onto the street to join a throng of dazed New Yorkers. There they watched as large formations of young men, clad in shimmering black capes and soldiers caps, came stomping down the middle of their island. Each bore a blazing torch, and none said a word. Pushing through the crowd, the sobered politicians shouted, Who are these Wide Awakes?[1]
The march that shook New York was one of thousands that poured through Americas cities, towns, and villages in 1860, started by a revolutionary new political organization. Stumping for the Republican candidate, Abraham Lincoln, the strange movement electrified the presidential election. Young men from Bangor to San Francisco and from huge Philadelphia clubs to tiny Iowa troupes donned uniforms, lit torches, and fell in to pseudomilitary marching companies. They flooded every northern state and trickled into upper South cities like Baltimore, Wheeling, and St. Louis. Launched in March by five young dry goods clerks in Hartford, Connecticut, by November the Wide Awakes had developed into a nationwide grassroots movement with hundreds of thousands of members. Many of the movements supportersand even some of its vociferous opponentsbelieved there never was, in this country, a more effective campaign organization than the Wide Awakes.[2]
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The militarism of the Wide Awakes helps explain how the election of Lincoln sparked the Civil War. Historians have long pondered the missing link between the complex politics of the 1850s and the war. It is difficult to believe that the Civil War could have erupted as a popular conflictwith hundreds of thousands of excited volunteersunless political debates were transformed into larger cultural motivators. The Wide Awakes enabled that transformation. The movements dangerous use of militarism for political purposes unintentionally bled into powerful cultural agitation that terrified southerners. Young northerners equipped with uniforms and torches sent an ominous message to those already apprehensive about the Republican partys antisouthern attitudes. While certainly not a cause of the war, the Wide Awakes presence ratcheted up sectional pressure and invested Lincolns election with weighty significance. Understanding how the organization worked helps connect the political and military campaigns.
Though observers felt the future historian should devote one of his most glowing chapters to the movement, few historians have asked, Who are these Wide Awakes? No scholar has recently offered an appraisal of the organization, and former Wide Awakes penned the most in-depth analyses of their club over a century ago. Those accounts contained valuable recollections, but the authors remembered their militarism through the prism of the Civil War as a prediction of the approaching conflict. Since then, the Wide Awakes have appeared as little more than campaign color in the classic accounts of the 1860 election by David Potter, Allan Nevins, and Roy Nichols. Works on Lincolns election may sketch a Wide Awake parade, but none truly examines the movement.[5]
The future historian has never appeared, and studies of the 1860 election have tended to follow a standard narrative, detailing Lincolns fight for the Republican nomination, his summer of quiet seclusion in Springfield, and his predictable victory in November. Such accounts affirm Lincolns humble calm in contrast to the terrible chaos that would consume the rest of his life. Yet if we hope to understand Lincolns presidency or the coming of the Civil War, we cannot fast-forward through the 1860 campaign. Lincolns image played a major role, but like most other nineteenth-century presidential candidates, he refused to canvass. Instead, four parties fielded complex campaign machines in a vicious public battle on behalf of their nominees. Scholars focused solely on the lives of great men have not addressed these important partisan mechanisms and cultural forces in detail. The visible, distinctive, and extremely popular Wide Awakes offer a glimpse of the neglected machinery that powered nineteenth-century American democracy. .... more at link
These feelings have been around a LONG time.
---
Young Men for War: The Wide Awakes and Lincolns 1860 Presidential Campaign
A band of sleepy Gotham politicians gathered in a Manhattan tavern late one evening in 1860. It was a windy Thursday night, and the atmosphere inside the dimly lit establishment was subdued. The bosses ordered ale and settled into a lazy debate about the usual political topics. They cursed the Republican party, analyzed their presidential ticket, and worried about the possibility of secession, all while getting steadily drunker in the cozy tavern.
They first heard the noise around midnight. From uptown came the clash of a marching band followed by the advancing tread of hundreds of boots on the cobblestones of the Bowery. Soon the stench of burning oil filled their nostrils, and the taverns dark windows began to glow from the outside. Tipsy and curious, the insiders spilled out onto the street to join a throng of dazed New Yorkers. There they watched as large formations of young men, clad in shimmering black capes and soldiers caps, came stomping down the middle of their island. Each bore a blazing torch, and none said a word. Pushing through the crowd, the sobered politicians shouted, Who are these Wide Awakes?[1]
The march that shook New York was one of thousands that poured through Americas cities, towns, and villages in 1860, started by a revolutionary new political organization. Stumping for the Republican candidate, Abraham Lincoln, the strange movement electrified the presidential election. Young men from Bangor to San Francisco and from huge Philadelphia clubs to tiny Iowa troupes donned uniforms, lit torches, and fell in to pseudomilitary marching companies. They flooded every northern state and trickled into upper South cities like Baltimore, Wheeling, and St. Louis. Launched in March by five young dry goods clerks in Hartford, Connecticut, by November the Wide Awakes had developed into a nationwide grassroots movement with hundreds of thousands of members. Many of the movements supportersand even some of its vociferous opponentsbelieved there never was, in this country, a more effective campaign organization than the Wide Awakes.[2]
---
The militarism of the Wide Awakes helps explain how the election of Lincoln sparked the Civil War. Historians have long pondered the missing link between the complex politics of the 1850s and the war. It is difficult to believe that the Civil War could have erupted as a popular conflictwith hundreds of thousands of excited volunteersunless political debates were transformed into larger cultural motivators. The Wide Awakes enabled that transformation. The movements dangerous use of militarism for political purposes unintentionally bled into powerful cultural agitation that terrified southerners. Young northerners equipped with uniforms and torches sent an ominous message to those already apprehensive about the Republican partys antisouthern attitudes. While certainly not a cause of the war, the Wide Awakes presence ratcheted up sectional pressure and invested Lincolns election with weighty significance. Understanding how the organization worked helps connect the political and military campaigns.
Though observers felt the future historian should devote one of his most glowing chapters to the movement, few historians have asked, Who are these Wide Awakes? No scholar has recently offered an appraisal of the organization, and former Wide Awakes penned the most in-depth analyses of their club over a century ago. Those accounts contained valuable recollections, but the authors remembered their militarism through the prism of the Civil War as a prediction of the approaching conflict. Since then, the Wide Awakes have appeared as little more than campaign color in the classic accounts of the 1860 election by David Potter, Allan Nevins, and Roy Nichols. Works on Lincolns election may sketch a Wide Awake parade, but none truly examines the movement.[5]
The future historian has never appeared, and studies of the 1860 election have tended to follow a standard narrative, detailing Lincolns fight for the Republican nomination, his summer of quiet seclusion in Springfield, and his predictable victory in November. Such accounts affirm Lincolns humble calm in contrast to the terrible chaos that would consume the rest of his life. Yet if we hope to understand Lincolns presidency or the coming of the Civil War, we cannot fast-forward through the 1860 campaign. Lincolns image played a major role, but like most other nineteenth-century presidential candidates, he refused to canvass. Instead, four parties fielded complex campaign machines in a vicious public battle on behalf of their nominees. Scholars focused solely on the lives of great men have not addressed these important partisan mechanisms and cultural forces in detail. The visible, distinctive, and extremely popular Wide Awakes offer a glimpse of the neglected machinery that powered nineteenth-century American democracy. .... more at link
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Message to Llewlladdwr & all other Southerners: Perspective on the South bashing. [View all]
johnlucas
Sep 2012
OP
Yes they do, but we both know they won't and we both know why. And until Y'all stop raising your
Egalitarian Thug
Sep 2012
#44
We have the "John Birchers" out here (they quit calling themselves that, though)
SoCalDem
Sep 2012
#50
Yes! There is a very good reason that "exceptional southerners" are considered to be...exceptional
Tom Ripley
Sep 2012
#32
The basic problem with all of these threads is that the South is not monolithic.
alarimer
Sep 2012
#23
True. So people should consider making an honest active commitment to "small" again. nt
patrice
Sep 2012
#34
And yet my relative moved to NC with her dark skinned cuban boyfriend and was accosted repeatedly.
progressivebydesign
Sep 2012
#38
Love this!!! One thing: Changing the South "as a whole", if that's what we are waiting for before
patrice
Sep 2012
#31
It's all way overwhelming when you look at the whole thing. Need to start believing in small things
patrice
Sep 2012
#58
Beautifully put!! I'm on the West Coast and don't take insults about it personally.
progressivebydesign
Sep 2012
#37
Gotta tell ya, a huge amount of the people in my part of the south originated in the NORTH.
1monster
Sep 2012
#42
Why are you taking it personally? We're calling out the bigoted mentality not the region
johnlucas
Sep 2012
#59