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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
14. In fact, they've been actively working for ages to undermine democracy.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:18 AM
Dec 2019

As I wrote somewhat recently:

The AG actively trying to undermine the FBI and intelligence agencies is surreal. But it follows a pattern. The Republican Party (including Never Trumpers) has been trying for decades, with quite a bit of success, to undermine trust in government. Run up debt so as to cut entitlements, have corporations write legislation, deregulate industry, install heads of departments whose mission it is to erode those very departments, deny the stark reality of racial injustice, etc.

Since the likes of Putin also wish to undermine democratic institutions for the purpose of self-enrichment, Putin and Republicans make for interesting bedfellows.

This is a war of ideologies: we vs. me. "It takes a village" vs. "every person for themselves" (cheating permitted...nay, encouraged). The likes of Barr, Bannon, Mulvaney, Pompeo et al. are especially dangerous--they're white nationalists, isolationists and despise secularization.

They've seen the writing on the wall (social progression, increased secularism, changing demographics, etc.), so their tactics have become increasingly extreme in recent years (intense voter suppression and gerrymandering, full-throated attacks on science and public education, persistent attacks on the "liberal media" to help shift the Overton Window, stealing a Supreme Court seat and packing the judiciary with right wing ideologues, aligning with dictators who share the goal of undermining democracy for personal enrichment, replacing the dog whistle with a bullhorn, and so on). They take comfort, though, in a tyranny of the minority system which, paradoxically, makes major structural reform nearly impossible to bring about for the very reasons why such reform is so desperately needed.

If this current cast of characters is still in power after 1/20/21, the damage wrought may be irreparable.

I wonder how many people (not on DU but nationally) view Trump as an anomaly or someone who just happened in a vacuum and how many people recognize that Trump is a symptom of a much larger problem (to which the GOP as a whole has long been contributing). I certainly come down on the side of the latter, and at the same time recognize how crucial it is that we remove Trump from office as soon as possible, as he's an especially diseased carrier pigeon for the ideologues who are taking advantage of his narcissistic appeal to the tens of millions of racists, sexists and xenophobes. I also wonder if seeing the big picture (or being helped to see it) would dissuade even a fraction of Trump's soft support (the portion that approves of him but not strongly) from continuing to support him. Are 100% of his supporters really okay with the world Republicans are seeking to realize? If so, they'll regret it.

I don't really need them to do that BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #1
Narrative is extremely important, and my issue is with what happens when Trump 2.0 comes along. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #2
I've accepted the fact most will never see it that way BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #8
My hope isn't to convince the Never Trumpers of their wrongdoing. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #12
I agree. No one is naive' about reformed R's or Never Trumpers. I'm tired of posts suggesting hlthe2b Dec 2019 #26
+100000 Celerity Dec 2019 #38
He wants the dems to get rid of Trump... lame54 Dec 2019 #3
My point is that he and his party made Trump possible. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #4
At times I've wished moondust Dec 2019 #5
It goes back even further. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #7
Good points. concreteblue Dec 2019 #44
Democracy by definition needs at least a two party madaboutharry Dec 2019 #6
In fact, they've been actively working for ages to undermine democracy. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #14
TIME to APPRECIATE those who have changed their minds and elleng Dec 2019 #9
They haven't done that, and that's my point. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #11
They would become irrelevant if part of the hundred million never-voters... Lock him up. Dec 2019 #17
It's not a matter of worrying about them, per se. See post #12. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #19
Steve Schmidt, John Heileman, etc haven't "come over to the light" meadowlander Dec 2019 #18
Bingo! Garrett78 Dec 2019 #20
They're not even in denial. They're in positioning... JHB Dec 2019 #29
I agree with all that but I do think they're in denial about their complicity. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #35
That probably varies by person JHB Dec 2019 #36
Every ten years or so the Republicans go off the reservation again pecosbob Dec 2019 #10
So true! sueunderh Dec 2019 #13
Do you have a link for that? madaboutharry Dec 2019 #21
Here's one: JHB Dec 2019 #30
That is terrible. madaboutharry Dec 2019 #32
I enjoy her a lot now too ToxMarz Dec 2019 #45
Well said! B Stieg Dec 2019 #15
Yes! 👍 Duppers Dec 2019 #16
Yesterday DU's favorite Bushie (Nicole Wallace)reminded all of us that she worked for Lady Blah Blah malaise Dec 2019 #22
Schmidt picked Palin. That's all you need ... Whiskeytide Dec 2019 #23
Schmidt has repeatedly acknowledged that was a mistake DeminPennswoods Dec 2019 #24
True. He says it was ... Whiskeytide Dec 2019 #25
What does that have to do with the price of beer? JHB Dec 2019 #31
Perhaps someday Steve can wax eloquently... GeorgeGist Dec 2019 #27
It's not important to me Loki Liesmith Dec 2019 #28
Any Port In This Storm colsohlibgal Dec 2019 #33
THIS !!!! Someone needs to tell them the kGOP was for voter suppression BEFORE Trump !!! uponit7771 Dec 2019 #34
Well said PatSeg Dec 2019 #37
he's come to jesus. lay off Demonaut Dec 2019 #39
He tried to help Starbucks billionaire Schultz run a spoiler campaign. nt tblue37 Dec 2019 #43
No, he hasn't. That's my point. He's just anti-Trump, and he helped make Trump possible. Garrett78 Dec 2019 #46
Absolutely... dajoki Dec 2019 #40
K/R I have limited tolerance for this crew and people who fawn over appalachiablue Dec 2019 #41
+ a brazillion! K&R. nt tblue37 Dec 2019 #42
I largely agree. They happily used the base when it was convenient. Gore1FL Dec 2019 #47
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