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19. Totally! But I could think of a hundred charges on which to file impeachment charges.

Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:47 AM

Dec 2019

That said? I will happily take ‘em and not look a gift horse in the mouth (at least not too much).

Grateful we’ve climbed this mountain. Now, onward to the mountaintop!

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Before attacking the Dems for not including an Article of Impeachment on Bribery, consider this: [View all] StarfishSaver Dec 2019 OP

I'd like to see someone look into if Giuliani as a prosecutor ever announced an investigation brewens Dec 2019 #1

I want to know if he ever gave Trump the heads up when he was at SDNY? LiberalFighter Dec 2019 #73

Makes a lot of sense StarfishSaver FakeNoose Dec 2019 #2

Yes, there's a YUGE difference between diplomacy and self-enrichment. forgotmylogin Dec 2019 #90

Exactly! burrowowl Dec 2019 #94

KISS maneuver Historic NY Dec 2019 #3

This is NOT the KISS maneuver. It is the opposite tmaynardr Dec 2019 #7

Dems "chose to screw it up?" StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #8

Yeah, too busy working on the ground in Ohio tmaynardr Dec 2019 #9

So you just pop up from your on-the-ground organizing to attack the Democrats StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #15

I'm not attacking Democrats. I'm attacking their poor messaging. tmaynardr Dec 2019 #21

A whole lot of NW Ohio voters are stupid. brutus smith Dec 2019 #39

Voters aren't stupid tmaynardr Dec 2019 #44

Like I said, stupid. brutus smith Dec 2019 #78

What makes you think you know more about messaging than Pelosi? BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #46

Other than actually talking to real voters for the last 18 months? tmaynardr Dec 2019 #48

So you don't. That's what I thought. Thanks for clarifying. BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #55

I appreciate your contribution to this discussion. ChiTownDenny Dec 2019 #62

Just reading this. Apologize for you being treated so badly - just for expressing Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #84

I wanted to personally thank you for your canvassing. BlueWI Dec 2019 #20

Where did you study constitutional law? BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #45

Messaging is not Constitutional Law tmaynardr Dec 2019 #47

+1 SterlingPound Dec 2019 #51

Messaging isn't ConLaw, but the Dems have given YOU more than enough to use to message on the street StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #54

Well thankfully we have an expert here to set us all straight BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #56

Yes, a local expert tmaynardr Dec 2019 #64

Uh huh BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #66

You just got tag teamed ! Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #85

+1. Amazing how people don't get this. radius777 Dec 2019 #97

Thanks! Mme. Defarge Dec 2019 #4

This is why Dems lose messaging tmaynardr Dec 2019 #5

Legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair. H2O Man Dec 2019 #10

FTR, nothing is stopping you from describing the impeachment DeminPennswoods Dec 2019 #49

Excellent point! StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #53

Nope, we will be called liars tmaynardr Dec 2019 #68

Do you have any similar local scandals DeminPennswoods Dec 2019 #74

It would have been more accurate to call it extortion than bribery dansolo Dec 2019 #96

You sound quite angry and frustrated. Maybe wnylib Dec 2019 #57

Life-Long Democrat tmaynardr Dec 2019 #67

I was away for a few hours and just read your wnylib Dec 2019 #80

When you read the articles of impeachment, what specifically jumped out at you as far as messaging BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #69

Abuse of Power; Obstruction of Congress tmaynardr Dec 2019 #70

Nothing wrong with either term. You can wnylib Dec 2019 #82

You have to have a good grasp of both the wnylib Dec 2019 #83

It would be different if Ukraine admitted the extortion. C_U_L8R Dec 2019 #6

Articles of Impeachment aren't "evidence" StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #11

Ukraine. Not Democrats. C_U_L8R Dec 2019 #12

This is not a Criminal Matter tmaynardr Dec 2019 #22

I know that. I was presenting an illustration StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #28

Dems aren't holding back evidence, but are giving up evidence that will soon become available Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #32

They're not giving up anything StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #34

Last summer there wasn't even an open inquiry... Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #40

During a Senate trial, if Ds or Rs call witnesses to appear and DeminPennswoods Dec 2019 #50

Good points and explanation. I agree with wnylib Dec 2019 #87

Another point of dissonance is with my own wnylib Dec 2019 #88

Republicans will now argue endless hours on what abuse of power is including false equivalencies. I uponit7771 Dec 2019 #13

Do we even have any messaging people? CrispyQ Dec 2019 #52

IKR !?!?! uponit7771 Dec 2019 #71

What's to stop the House from The Wizard Dec 2019 #14

+1, After McGhan they should impeach Red Don again uponit7771 Dec 2019 #16

What's to stop the House? Nancy Pelosi Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #26

LOL StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #29

You are 100% correct. It was like pulling teeth as it was. Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #38

".. like pulling teeth.. ". That's your view.. Nancy did Cha Dec 2019 #91

Frankly, I think the way this has been laid out has been freaking brilliant! Raster Dec 2019 #17

+1 StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #18

Once articles have been voted on and sent to the Senste for trial, they cannot be amended Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #27

But didn't you think that Pelosi would never allow an impeachment in the first place? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #35

The record shows that she was firmly against impeachment until the Ukraine events in Aug nt. Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #41

The record doesn't show that StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #43

Totally! But I could think of a hundred charges on which to file impeachment charges. calimary Dec 2019 #19

Yes. They're rolling that into the Abuse of Power Article. MineralMan Dec 2019 #23

I understand their logic, but the GOP are (and did already) accuse Obama-Biden of the same thing! Texin Dec 2019 #24

Why not BOTH bribery and abuse of power? Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #25

Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #30

If they had included bribery and obstruction of justice, those 4 articles would be appropriate Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #33

If they had included them, you would have found something else to complain about StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #36

With your psychic powers, you should open a mind reading salon nt Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #42

" the abuse of power is the bribery and the bribery is the abuse of power" pangaia Dec 2019 #31

Thanks, Pangaia! StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #37

Swalwell is being quoted saying additional articles will be drafted Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #58

Swalwell's questioning of Dan Goldman was the highlight DeminPennswoods Dec 2019 #75

It was a thing of beauty. Perfectly executed. He nailed the landing. NurseJackie Dec 2019 #95

I hope so. nt ecstatic Dec 2019 #81

dearest starfishsaver bubbazero Dec 2019 #59

I agree with the approach of Speaker Pelosi and the Congressional Democrats Gothmog Dec 2019 #60

Kick mcar Dec 2019 #61

Thank you. CaptainTruth Dec 2019 #63

"Bribery is a very complicated and charged allegation" Azathoth Dec 2019 #65

+1, ICA was written because of Nixon !! The 400 million for Ukraine wasn't for Trump campaign!! uponit7771 Dec 2019 #72

From Prof. Tribe Gothmog Dec 2019 #76

Abuse of Power is a great message! Bluesaph Dec 2019 #77

Bribery is a subset of abuse of power lame54 Dec 2019 #79

It can be seen that way, but that's not the way the framers would have seen it... markpkessinger Dec 2019 #93

Well that lays it out clear AllyCat Dec 2019 #89

Bribery was the strongest legal argument they had . . . markpkessinger Dec 2019 #92

I suspect some of us are average people. JoeDuck Dec 2019 #98

Very Ingersollman Dec 2019 #99