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mahatmakanejeeves

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94. As I suspected, the article was about work-related fatalities.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 11:34 AM
Dec 2019
Sep 29, 2013, 01:54am
Forget Eagle Deaths, Wind Turbines Kill Humans

James Conca Contributor
Energy

I write about nuclear, energy and the environment
This article is more than 2 years old.

Who cares about birds? What about humans being killed by wind farm accidents? Last week a study by U.S. Fish and Wildlife researchers on the number of eagle deaths by wind turbines ruffled some feathers in the industry (Wildlife Society), but industry supporters were quick to note that other human activities kill more, so who cares?

Does this same philosophy hold true for human deaths? A colleague at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology sent me a paper from the Caithness Windfarm Information Forum 2013 (Wind Farm Accidents and Fatalities) that was rather enlightening.

In England, there were 163 wind turbine accidents that killed 14 people in 2011. Wind produced about 15 billion kWhrs that year, so using a capacity factor of 25%, that translates to about 1,000 deaths per trillion kWhrs produced (the world produces 15 trillion kWhrs per year from all sources).

These are pretty low numbers. By contrast, in 2011 coal produced about 180 billion kWhrs in England with about 3,000 related deaths. Nuclear energy produced over 90 billion kWhrs in England with no deaths. In that same year, America produced about 800 billion kWhrs from nuclear with no deaths.

Since so many more people die from other causes, can we just forget about it? Like the eagles?

Does any energy source kill a significant number of people? In a post from last year, we discussed human fatalities by energy source (How Deadly Is Your Kilowatt?), and how coal is the biggest killer in U.S. energy at 15,000 deaths per trillion kWhrs produced, while nuclear is the least at zero. Wind energy kills a mere 100 people or so per trillion kWhrs, the majority from falls during maintenance activities (Toldedo Blade).
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James Conca
I have been a scientist in the field of the earth and environmental sciences for 33 years, specializing in geologic disposal of nuclear waste, energy-related research, planetary surface processes, radiobiology and shielding for space colonies, subsurface transport and environmental clean-up of heavy metals. I am a Trustee of the Herbert M. Parker Foundation, Adjunct at WSU, an Affiliate Scientist at LANL and consult on strategic planning for the DOE, EPA/State environmental agencies, and industry including companies that own nuclear, hydro, wind farms, large solar arrays, coal and gas plants. I also consult for EPA/State environmental agencies and industry on clean-up of heavy metals from soil and water. For over 25 years I have been a member of Sierra Club, Greenpeace, the NRDC, the Environmental Defense Fund and many others, as well as professional societies including the America Nuclear Society, the American Chemical Society, the Geological Society of America and the American Association of Petroleum Geologists.

Jun 10, 2012, 01:08am
How Deadly Is Your Kilowatt? We Rank The Killer Energy Sources

James Conca Contributor
Energy
I write about nuclear, energy and the environment
This article is more than 2 years old.
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Energy Source Mortality Rate (deaths/trillionkWhr)

Coal – global average 100,000 (41% global electricity)

Coal – China 170,000 (75% China’s electricity)

Coal – U.S. 10,000 (32% U.S. electricity)

Oil 36,000 (33% of energy, 8% of electricity)

Natural Gas 4,000 (22% global electricity)

Biofuel/Biomass 24,000 (21% global energy)

Solar (rooftop) 440 (< 1% global electricity)

Wind 150 (2% global electricity)

Hydro – global average 1,400 (16% global electricity)

Hydro – U.S. 5 (6% U.S. electricity)

Nuclear – global average 90 (11% global electricity w/Chern&Fukush)

Nuclear – U.S. 0.1 (19% U.S. electricity)

It is notable that the U.S. death rates for coal are so much lower than for China, strictly a result of regulation, particularly the Clean Air Act (Scott et al., 2005). It is also notable that the Clean Air Act is one of the most life-saving pieces of legislation ever adopted by any country in history, along with the Fair Labor Standards Act (1938) which established the 40 hour week, and Medicare in 1965. Still, about 10,000 die from coal use in the U.S. each year, and another thousand from natural gas.

Hydro is dominated by a few rare large dam failures like Banqiao in China in 1976 which killed about 171,000 people. The reason the U.S. hydro deaths are so few is, again regulation - specifically our Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC).
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Doofus-45 is worried about eagles? How about humans?? at140 Dec 2019 #12
As I suspected, the article was about work-related fatalities. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2019 #94
Great information about deaths in various electricity generation at140 Dec 2019 #100
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Is that why he is popular with those who at140 Dec 2019 #24
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A Debian Slime Devil perhaps? SCVDem Dec 2019 #69
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OK, parse this, if you please: milestogo Dec 2019 #20
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Perhaps "diarrhoea-of-consciousness" is more apt for Trump (nt) muriel_volestrangler Dec 2019 #93
Wait. What. Is he saying that windmills cause fumes and gases? Goodheart Dec 2019 #21
If a bird flies into the rotating turbine, it usually kills the bird LeftInTX Dec 2019 #26
The bigger the wind turbine, the less likely there will be bird strikes. Liberal In Texas Dec 2019 #47
For years I've been reading that wind turbines kill PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #52
I think he meant the manufacturing of them? Beartracks Dec 2019 #79
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Don Quixote of MaraLago strikes again. Talitha Dec 2019 #25
He's been listening to Vlad again! LeftInTX Dec 2019 #27
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... Docreed2003 Dec 2019 #32
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Windmills are bad SCantiGOP Dec 2019 #34
I need a word salad translator to understand this gibberish? yortsed snacilbuper Dec 2019 #35
What don't you get? Botany Dec 2019 #37
Windbag doesn't understand wind. mwooldri Dec 2019 #38
But, but he SAYS he has studied it! Beartracks Dec 2019 #80
I'm sure he made a really big impression on the conference attendees. PatrickforO Dec 2019 #40
Holy Toledo. paleotn Dec 2019 #42
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You forgot Brain Cancer! hatrack Dec 2019 #49
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Another Russian ploy Mr. Ected Dec 2019 #53
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I live in an area where there are Sogo Dec 2019 #62
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For your viewing pleasure . . . hatrack Dec 2019 #98
He blathers non-stop nonsense. nt tblue37 Dec 2019 #88
So what is wrong with this bit of Trump's genius? Botany Dec 2019 #99
His toilet understands wind all too well. kairos12 Dec 2019 #104
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