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In reply to the discussion: Trump Attacks Windmills in Speech to Conservative Group: 'I Never Understood Wind' [View all]mahatmakanejeeves
(57,393 posts)94. As I suspected, the article was about work-related fatalities.
Sep 29, 2013, 01:54am
Forget Eagle Deaths, Wind Turbines Kill Humans
James Conca Contributor
Energy
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This article is more than 2 years old.
Who cares about birds? What about humans being killed by wind farm accidents? Last week a study by U.S. Fish and Wildlife researchers on the number of eagle deaths by wind turbines ruffled some feathers in the industry (Wildlife Society), but industry supporters were quick to note that other human activities kill more, so who cares?
Does this same philosophy hold true for human deaths? A colleague at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology sent me a paper from the Caithness Windfarm Information Forum 2013 (Wind Farm Accidents and Fatalities) that was rather enlightening.
In England, there were 163 wind turbine accidents that killed 14 people in 2011. Wind produced about 15 billion kWhrs that year, so using a capacity factor of 25%, that translates to about 1,000 deaths per trillion kWhrs produced (the world produces 15 trillion kWhrs per year from all sources).
These are pretty low numbers. By contrast, in 2011 coal produced about 180 billion kWhrs in England with about 3,000 related deaths. Nuclear energy produced over 90 billion kWhrs in England with no deaths. In that same year, America produced about 800 billion kWhrs from nuclear with no deaths.
Since so many more people die from other causes, can we just forget about it? Like the eagles?
Does any energy source kill a significant number of people? In a post from last year, we discussed human fatalities by energy source (How Deadly Is Your Kilowatt?), and how coal is the biggest killer in U.S. energy at 15,000 deaths per trillion kWhrs produced, while nuclear is the least at zero. Wind energy kills a mere 100 people or so per trillion kWhrs, the majority from falls during maintenance activities (Toldedo Blade).
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James Conca
I have been a scientist in the field of the earth and environmental sciences for 33 years, specializing in geologic disposal of nuclear waste, energy-related research, planetary surface processes, radiobiology and shielding for space colonies, subsurface transport and environmental clean-up of heavy metals. I am a Trustee of the Herbert M. Parker Foundation, Adjunct at WSU, an Affiliate Scientist at LANL and consult on strategic planning for the DOE, EPA/State environmental agencies, and industry including companies that own nuclear, hydro, wind farms, large solar arrays, coal and gas plants. I also consult for EPA/State environmental agencies and industry on clean-up of heavy metals from soil and water. For over 25 years I have been a member of Sierra Club, Greenpeace, the NRDC, the Environmental Defense Fund and many others, as well as professional societies including the America Nuclear Society, the American Chemical Society, the Geological Society of America and the American Association of Petroleum Geologists.
Forget Eagle Deaths, Wind Turbines Kill Humans
James Conca Contributor
Energy
I write about nuclear, energy and the environment
This article is more than 2 years old.
Who cares about birds? What about humans being killed by wind farm accidents? Last week a study by U.S. Fish and Wildlife researchers on the number of eagle deaths by wind turbines ruffled some feathers in the industry (Wildlife Society), but industry supporters were quick to note that other human activities kill more, so who cares?
Does this same philosophy hold true for human deaths? A colleague at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology sent me a paper from the Caithness Windfarm Information Forum 2013 (Wind Farm Accidents and Fatalities) that was rather enlightening.
In England, there were 163 wind turbine accidents that killed 14 people in 2011. Wind produced about 15 billion kWhrs that year, so using a capacity factor of 25%, that translates to about 1,000 deaths per trillion kWhrs produced (the world produces 15 trillion kWhrs per year from all sources).
These are pretty low numbers. By contrast, in 2011 coal produced about 180 billion kWhrs in England with about 3,000 related deaths. Nuclear energy produced over 90 billion kWhrs in England with no deaths. In that same year, America produced about 800 billion kWhrs from nuclear with no deaths.
Since so many more people die from other causes, can we just forget about it? Like the eagles?
Does any energy source kill a significant number of people? In a post from last year, we discussed human fatalities by energy source (How Deadly Is Your Kilowatt?), and how coal is the biggest killer in U.S. energy at 15,000 deaths per trillion kWhrs produced, while nuclear is the least at zero. Wind energy kills a mere 100 people or so per trillion kWhrs, the majority from falls during maintenance activities (Toldedo Blade).
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James Conca
I have been a scientist in the field of the earth and environmental sciences for 33 years, specializing in geologic disposal of nuclear waste, energy-related research, planetary surface processes, radiobiology and shielding for space colonies, subsurface transport and environmental clean-up of heavy metals. I am a Trustee of the Herbert M. Parker Foundation, Adjunct at WSU, an Affiliate Scientist at LANL and consult on strategic planning for the DOE, EPA/State environmental agencies, and industry including companies that own nuclear, hydro, wind farms, large solar arrays, coal and gas plants. I also consult for EPA/State environmental agencies and industry on clean-up of heavy metals from soil and water. For over 25 years I have been a member of Sierra Club, Greenpeace, the NRDC, the Environmental Defense Fund and many others, as well as professional societies including the America Nuclear Society, the American Chemical Society, the Geological Society of America and the American Association of Petroleum Geologists.
Jun 10, 2012, 01:08am
How Deadly Is Your Kilowatt? We Rank The Killer Energy Sources
James Conca Contributor
Energy
I write about nuclear, energy and the environment
This article is more than 2 years old.
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Energy Source Mortality Rate (deaths/trillionkWhr)
Coal global average 100,000 (41% global electricity)
Coal China 170,000 (75% Chinas electricity)
Coal U.S. 10,000 (32% U.S. electricity)
Oil 36,000 (33% of energy, 8% of electricity)
Natural Gas 4,000 (22% global electricity)
Biofuel/Biomass 24,000 (21% global energy)
Solar (rooftop) 440 (< 1% global electricity)
Wind 150 (2% global electricity)
Hydro global average 1,400 (16% global electricity)
Hydro U.S. 5 (6% U.S. electricity)
Nuclear global average 90 (11% global electricity w/Chern&Fukush)
Nuclear U.S. 0.1 (19% U.S. electricity)
It is notable that the U.S. death rates for coal are so much lower than for China, strictly a result of regulation, particularly the Clean Air Act (Scott et al., 2005). It is also notable that the Clean Air Act is one of the most life-saving pieces of legislation ever adopted by any country in history, along with the Fair Labor Standards Act (1938) which established the 40 hour week, and Medicare in 1965. Still, about 10,000 die from coal use in the U.S. each year, and another thousand from natural gas.
Hydro is dominated by a few rare large dam failures like Banqiao in China in 1976 which killed about 171,000 people. The reason the U.S. hydro deaths are so few is, again regulation - specifically our Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC).
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How Deadly Is Your Kilowatt? We Rank The Killer Energy Sources
James Conca Contributor
Energy
I write about nuclear, energy and the environment
This article is more than 2 years old.
....
Energy Source Mortality Rate (deaths/trillionkWhr)
Coal global average 100,000 (41% global electricity)
Coal China 170,000 (75% Chinas electricity)
Coal U.S. 10,000 (32% U.S. electricity)
Oil 36,000 (33% of energy, 8% of electricity)
Natural Gas 4,000 (22% global electricity)
Biofuel/Biomass 24,000 (21% global energy)
Solar (rooftop) 440 (< 1% global electricity)
Wind 150 (2% global electricity)
Hydro global average 1,400 (16% global electricity)
Hydro U.S. 5 (6% U.S. electricity)
Nuclear global average 90 (11% global electricity w/Chern&Fukush)
Nuclear U.S. 0.1 (19% U.S. electricity)
It is notable that the U.S. death rates for coal are so much lower than for China, strictly a result of regulation, particularly the Clean Air Act (Scott et al., 2005). It is also notable that the Clean Air Act is one of the most life-saving pieces of legislation ever adopted by any country in history, along with the Fair Labor Standards Act (1938) which established the 40 hour week, and Medicare in 1965. Still, about 10,000 die from coal use in the U.S. each year, and another thousand from natural gas.
Hydro is dominated by a few rare large dam failures like Banqiao in China in 1976 which killed about 171,000 people. The reason the U.S. hydro deaths are so few is, again regulation - specifically our Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC).
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Trump Attacks Windmills in Speech to Conservative Group: 'I Never Understood Wind' [View all]
highplainsdem
Dec 2019
OP
Me. I can't laugh because this appallingly ignorant POS is President of the United States.
Martin Eden
Dec 2019
#36
Repubs could have the same policies/goals with Pence but they prefer 45's stupidity & overt racism.
LonePirate
Dec 2019
#6
plus now the whole Trump family will cock block every ambitious Republican for the Pres nom
TeamPooka
Dec 2019
#66
Of course, birds and other animals being killed by petrochemicals is a-okay n/t
TexasBushwhacker
Dec 2019
#8
The real reason he didn't get drafted, not bone spurs but mental incompetence
captain queeg
Dec 2019
#11
If I remember correctly Korax went on to compare the Enterprise to a garbage scow
captain queeg
Dec 2019
#84
If this post is erally what he said, he needs to use a speech writer more often! None of what's in
napi21
Dec 2019
#18
The bigger the wind turbine, the less likely there will be bird strikes.
Liberal In Texas
Dec 2019
#47
The entirety of Thomas Pynchon's "Gravity's Rainbow" was more coherent than that.
Aristus
Dec 2019
#28
He must be planning to do something really shitty. Cue idiotic distraction.
TheFourthMind
Dec 2019
#59
In some areas they have caused massive bird kills, ie along the gulf coast flyway, millions.
Liberty Belle
Dec 2019
#70
Exactly. I went through this with my father. A smart man with personality disorders, senile dementia
Midnight Writer
Dec 2019
#77
I think his siblings farted in sacks and then made him breathe it when he was a kid.
Captain Zero
Dec 2019
#76