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Hekate

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49. Whole categories of young black and brown men get stopped by cops for behavior that no white...
Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:32 PM
Jan 2020

...would ever be found liable for. Like driving. Walking around the suburbs. Walking in the city. Driving a "good" car. Hanging out in a public park. Having a birthday party or bbq in a public park. Hanging out in front of your own house.

You know the drill by now if you are a DUer. It is really easy to get a record started -- if you are black or brown.

As for schools: we've known for generations in this country that schools in poor neighborhoods are notoriously wretched, with a high dropout rate. Many kids are hungry -- they now call it "food insecurity," Jesus what a euphemism. Many kids are holding down a job to help out their families with rent and groceries. Homelessness among families is rising.

It is easy to miss classes when your family is that poor.

Being in good physical condition depends on good nutrition and the opportunity to exercise -- see above.

Sure, the Army wants better cannon-fodder. But as this country slides backward, it might be instructive to look at what the Draft had to deal with at the end of the Great Depression and before there was a middle class after WWII.

Health: so many young men were given a 4-F for nutritional diseases (ricketts, blindness, rotten teeth, heart disease) alone that the free school lunch program got its start. (This continued in my generation (in my home state, I don't know about elsewhere) in a modified form: our school lunches cost 25 cents, and were 1/3 of a growing kid's daily needs. Even my penny pinching mother could not brown-bag a lunch cheaper than that, altho I still knew kids who went without.) Think about that: school nutrition programs for healthy future soldiers, whatever you may think of that motive.

Literacy/education: during WWII the Army had education programs for recruits that got down to the absolute basics of personal hygiene and I don't know what-all. I'm sure the old training manuals are online for your edification; everything else is.

What I'm saying is, the Army and other military branches may have been relying on a robust miiddle class and the spillover of that into the rest of society to produce the kind of recruits they wanted -- and thanks to GOP policies for the last 2 generations, that no longer exists. If I am right, they are going to have to return to an earlier model for recruitment and training.

That's surprising. OnDoutside Jan 2020 #1
The military has recognized it as a problem for about 20 years now Recursion Jan 2020 #3
I remember seeing a documentary about the underhand tactics done to get people to enlist, so that's OnDoutside Jan 2020 #21
Yeah, showing up for school as a kid and not being a criminal are required. braddy Jan 2020 #2
And being in halfway decent physical shape. cwydro Jan 2020 #24
Whole categories of young black and brown men get stopped by cops for behavior that no white... Hekate Jan 2020 #49
You are also talking about an era when government public health measures weren't scorned DBoon Jan 2020 #51
Not saying you're wrong, but maxsolomon Jan 2020 #4
Exactly. My questions for the op as well paleotn Jan 2020 #17
No kidding. Poverty does not equate to complete degradation. Hortensis Jan 2020 #56
I would agree. LiberalFighter Jan 2020 #5
The two biggest blockers of enlistments are obesity and asthma Recursion Jan 2020 #6
obesity does not "strike" anybody, its a behavioral thing nt msongs Jan 2020 #22
Sort of, there are environmental and genetic aspects... Mosby Jan 2020 #46
And an economic component hibbing Jan 2020 #60
It's a poverty thing as well. hunter Jan 2020 #52
Obesity is strongly correlated with living in a "food desert" where junk food is cheap and available Hekate Jan 2020 #58
My son is in the Air Force and they are very strict about all dewsgirl Jan 2020 #26
Well, there is no way in hell rich kids are going to join. LakeArenal Jan 2020 #7
They seem to serve at a higher rate than anyone else Recursion Jan 2020 #8
As officers I suppose. LakeArenal Jan 2020 #9
The officer corps does impact that percentage, yes (nt) Recursion Jan 2020 #12
Rich families have their kids sent to the academies to become officers. backscatter712 Jan 2020 #47
Reagan and the Republicans knew what they were doing when they changed the rules TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #10
Bingo Recursion Jan 2020 #11
During the Republic, yes. Aristus Jan 2020 #19
One of the reasons why I worry about trump trying to establish his own Praetorian Guard. dhol82 Jan 2020 #28
I don't think it's very likely. Aristus Jan 2020 #29
One hopes. dhol82 Jan 2020 #36
The drastic down sizing of the military is the real driver hack89 Jan 2020 #44
Hahahahaha, yeah let there be war Dan Jan 2020 #13
That didn't really happen during Iraq though Recursion Jan 2020 #14
Iraq Dan Jan 2020 #20
Iraq was not Vietnam. Blue_true Jan 2020 #30
"Go to war or go to jail" wasn't a plan to get recruits, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2020 #57
I was in the service during Vietnam Dan Jan 2020 #61
So you're saying poor people are more likely to have paleotn Jan 2020 #15
I mean, it's *free* in the entire US, that isn't the problem Recursion Jan 2020 #16
Without solid data paleotn Jan 2020 #18
If that is the case, it's because our govt criminalizes the things poor people do to survive ck4829 Jan 2020 #55
My military experience was confined to the early 70's. 11 Bravo Jan 2020 #23
Because a large number of soldiers were dying in the late sixties, early 70s. Blue_true Jan 2020 #32
Do you have any facts to back up this assertion? Jose Garcia Jan 2020 #25
Here is some info Kaleva Jan 2020 #27
None of those links back up the assertion that MOST poor people are Jose Garcia Jan 2020 #45
But i think we can both argree that it's harder for a poor person to join. Kaleva Jan 2020 #48
Who's Joining the Military: Myth vs Fact braddy Jan 2020 #31
"Fact: Military recruits mirror the US population and are solidly middle class." Kaleva Jan 2020 #34
The standing military force is poorer and more nonwhite than the population Recursion Jan 2020 #38
White people don't get paid more in the military. Kaleva Jan 2020 #41
Whereas white people do get paid more than nonwhites in the private sector Recursion Jan 2020 #43
+10,000 Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #33
Tom DeLay and Dan Quayle military service keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #37
I got in the military with a GED JonLP24 Jan 2020 #39
The Army place a limit on the percentage of recruits who have a GED Kaleva Jan 2020 #42
I did get a high ASVAB score JonLP24 Jan 2020 #50
You also have to have a high school diploma and meet other requirements. Kaleva Jan 2020 #53
I was just saying my GT score was high enough to become a Warrant Officer JonLP24 Jan 2020 #54
Some more stats hardluck Jan 2020 #40
The last year I taught school before going into business...I had an 18 year old freshman Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #59
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