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SunSeeker

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28. Folks in Northern Italy say similar cases started popping up last November.

Wed Mar 25, 2020, 02:28 AM

Mar 2020

China has had Covid-19 cases since at least November, so it is certainly conceivable that visitors to Wuhan brought it home all over the world in November. Northern Italy has a lot of trade with Wuhan because of textiles and auto parts. Same with NY, L.A, and Detroit. Seatle has lots of tech connections with Wuhan (Seattle's first confirmed case had visited Wuhan).

Remuzzi says he is now hearing information about it from general practitioners. "They remember having seen very strange pneumonia, very severe, particularly in old people in December and even November," he says. "This means that the virus was circulating, at least in [the northern region of] Lombardy and before we were aware of this outbreak occurring in China."

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/817974987/every-single-individual-must-stay-home-italy-s-coronavirus-deaths-pass-china-s

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I think this virus was around in December. [View all] Texaswitchy Mar 2020 OP

me too dweller Mar 2020 #1

These two were at death door. Texaswitchy Mar 2020 #4

You were "busy with your van?" Tipperary Mar 2020 #76

Building it to a camper van. Texaswitchy Mar 2020 #79

"Chevy Van" - a Sammy Johns song from 1973. Quemado Mar 2020 #80

I remember that: "And that's all right with me" yonder Mar 2020 #81

I'm pretty sure it was here in Las Vegas in January pecosbob Mar 2020 #2

Sounds like it. Texaswitchy Mar 2020 #6

Here is a March 17 thread advancing the same thought. John1956PA Mar 2020 #3

My 40 year old Son had something in early December. Talitha Mar 2020 #5

Yep. Texaswitchy Mar 2020 #8

Travelled to UK on Jan 1 HipChick Mar 2020 #7

I do to. Texaswitchy Mar 2020 #11

A person I know in San Francisco may have had it CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #9

I wonder. luvallpeeps Mar 2020 #10

Red eyes (like you're wearing red eye shadow) is a telltale sign of Covid-19. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #32

In January, All 3 Of My Kids Had A Nasty Form Of Flu Despite Getting Flu Shots ChoppinBroccoli Mar 2020 #12

I've been wondering about that too HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #13

Early Jan my sinuses went berserk, drainage like crazy and a persistent dry cough for 3-4 weeks. roamer65 Mar 2020 #14

Hubby and I caught the same thing from our granddaughter Blaukraut Mar 2020 #18

A deep dry cough is indicative of viral pneumonia. roamer65 Mar 2020 #19

"...blood tinged mucus..." I read a story of a nurse describing live love laugh Mar 2020 #56

The mucus in the tube came from patients' lungs Blaukraut Mar 2020 #72

Oh I see the difference. nt live love laugh Mar 2020 #73

I read recently that researchers are wnylib Mar 2020 #24

Do you think people were dying of it then? nt. Mariana Mar 2020 #15

Probably, but no way to prove it relayerbob Mar 2020 #23

Excess mortality is easy to prove jberryhill Mar 2020 #63

From CNN, January 6th..... RhodeIslandOne Mar 2020 #34

Probably coincidence. This coronavirus is not a flu virus. Mariana Mar 2020 #39

Does every hospital always test for flu? RhodeIslandOne Mar 2020 #53

Nope. nt live love laugh Mar 2020 #57

Ditto... LovingA2andMI Mar 2020 #16

Cuomo stopped testing in NYC wnylib Mar 2020 #27

Trump's FDA should have adopted the readily available WHO test back on January 17. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #37

Yes. ellie Mar 2020 #17

Yes, I think it's been around since at least Raine Mar 2020 #20

I saw someone post that on FB today (they believed they had it in December). C Moon Mar 2020 #21

Same Here relayerbob Mar 2020 #22

I had it too late December. Felt like big stones in my lungs at first. Lock him up. Mar 2020 #30

Mid December, a close friend had the same experience flibbitygiblets Mar 2020 #25

Me too, but slightly earlier... Exact same symptoms JCMach1 Mar 2020 #26

Folks in Northern Italy say similar cases started popping up last November. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #28

+1 dalton99a Mar 2020 #40

I have heard more stories of people as far back as December saying they had a bad flu RhodeIslandOne Mar 2020 #29

I'm in Northern California, and have been thinking the same. Silver Gaia Mar 2020 #31

I also know someone Bluesaph Mar 2020 #33

I suspect this is wishful thinking on many people's parts. herding cats Mar 2020 #35

Hive Mindsets??? LovingA2andMI Mar 2020 #41

Testing shows it showed up here early January. herding cats Mar 2020 #44

I agree. HotTeaBag Mar 2020 #74

When did they start testing? n/t drmeow Mar 2020 #85

I hope you have the immunity you imagine you do. herding cats Mar 2020 #47

Oh, and do update us on the serology findings. herding cats Mar 2020 #48

Oh, and would you like to see some sequencing of the viruses genome? herding cats Mar 2020 #49

Thank you. Tipperary Mar 2020 #78

On what date was the virus's genome sequenced and published ? Ghost Dog Mar 2020 #83

I think so too. Mariana Mar 2020 #43

The genome of the virus has been traced. Solidly. herding cats Mar 2020 #45

IMO it is highly unlikely it would show up in California radius777 Mar 2020 #51

💯 live love laugh Mar 2020 #58

I just discussed this with my drmeow Mar 2020 #86

Here herding cats Mar 2020 #87

Thank you drmeow Mar 2020 #89

What does any of that have to do with people thinking they are "immune"? RhodeIslandOne Mar 2020 #52

The initial discovery of it in China was covered up. Mariana Mar 2020 #68

We live in a society where people don't flock to the doctor RhodeIslandOne Mar 2020 #71

That's exactly what this is. jberryhill Mar 2020 #64

People can think this and still practice social distancing ck4829 Mar 2020 #77

My girlfriend. ChazInAz Mar 2020 #36

I had a strange "bug" in mid-January. Progressive Jones Mar 2020 #38

My Spider-sense says this got going in Wuhan in late Oct. early November where Anon-C Mar 2020 #42

Remember the vaping deaths? MoonlitKnight Mar 2020 #46

Wow, I hadn't thought of that Polybius Mar 2020 #50

I've read over a hundred similar accounts live love laugh Mar 2020 #54

Remember both Whoopi and Oprah had pneumonia? live love laugh Mar 2020 #55

It could have come from way out in the boonies in China. Just showed up and identified in Wuhan brewens Mar 2020 #59

Yep, had it right after Christmas Jersey Devil Mar 2020 #60

it was definitely in China then catsudon Mar 2020 #61

I never posted this because PCIntern Mar 2020 #62

Yes. My 92-year-old father almost died. phylny Mar 2020 #65

Hundreds, perhaps thousands of people travel to and from China/East Asia monthly... Wounded Bear Mar 2020 #66

Several reports from people I know saying the same thing ecstatic Mar 2020 #67

Nobody knows the exact time or day it started. kentuck Mar 2020 #69

Both my brothers in Fla. think they had it in Dec. after opening an overnight package from China ElementaryPenguin Mar 2020 #70

In February, my coworkers and I all got horrible colds ck4829 Mar 2020 #75

I thought so too, all my co workers and I, beginning of January. I think not now, and here is LizBeth Mar 2020 #82

all 4 of my siblings and my 84 year old mother had pneumonia in January n/t babydollhead Mar 2020 #84

I had the flu shot in October, but right after Thanksgiving, after being exposed to my sister's smirkymonkey Mar 2020 #88