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The Magistrate

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24. Believing Trump, Moore, And Kavanaugh Guilty, Sir, Does Not Require Believing Mr. Biden Is
Mon Apr 27, 2020, 07:37 PM
Apr 2020

Finding a charge made by one person to be credible does not require me to consider a charge made by some other person to be credible. Charges of criminal behavior should be assessed individually, and the credibility of the person making the charge, as well as the credibility of the charge itself, must be weighed.

Some claim falsely it does, that because some span of time elapsed between the acts alleged and the woman's reporting of same, all should be viewed as identical. It is true that persons subjected to sexual assault sometimes take their time to come forward. It is also true people will often wait to launch a lie till the time seems right.

In the case of charges against Trump, Moore, and Kavanaugh, the persons laying the accusations are solid and credible, as are the accusations they make. They are not solitary accusers, in each instance there were multiple people coming forward. In each instance the accusations were consistent with known behavior, from the well documented media circus of 'Trump, the playboy', to what everyone knows is common behavior at beer-bash jock parties of the sort Kavanaugh himself documented attending, to the foul odor of pious fraud Moore has always reeked of, in his extreme denunciation of perversion in others. which so often betrays a guilty secret trying to break out in confession.

Reade has not just altered her claims over recent years, but has made them more extreme as each version failed to excite much attention. That is not a pattern of a truthful person, coming forward after a lapse of years, but the pattern of a calculating liar who is seeking to find what level of charge it will take to win notoriety, and damage the target of the lie. Even more telling is that when Reade finally swore out a police complaint, she omitted to include the name of the person she accuses. If someone will not swear to a charge under penalty of perjury, there is no reason whatever to believe that person making the charge when not under oath. Note that none of this makes reference to the well-evidenced flakiness of Reade, which opens the possibility she is simply a fabulist, or to her adherence to Putin and Russia, or to the obvious axes to grind which every person promoting her story has. These are, however, things which damage her credibility further.

It should be noted, too, that hypocrisy is dead as a charge of any weight in political life. No one is, and no one ought to be, deterred by a charge of hypocrisy from pressing the line best suited to the political needs of the present day. Well-meaning, good-hearted people who tend to the left need to learn not to allow their better natures to be taken advantage of by vicious scum on the right, and splinterest wreckers on the far left, who enlist them in their charges against figures of the center left, by exhorting them to 'be consistent' and telling them 'don't be hypocrites'. The proper response to attempts at this is a hearty "Fuck off! Nobody cares what a rancid piece of dogshit like you thinks!" Or words to that effect....

Only attack the enemy, the christo-fascist right.

Never, ever, attack people who are on your side.


If you want one quick reason why the right wing wields power well out of proportion to the popularity of its policies, it is that they adhere to this rule, and we on the left do not.


"Defeat of a dangerous enemy is something to be for."

WHat was the whole thing with the mother on Larry King? nt jmg257 Apr 2020 #1
The Larry King interview proves nothing. It is a vauge generalized question from an still_one Apr 2020 #2
Larry King's caller mentioned problems and a respect mzmolly Apr 2020 #4
She said "A" prominent Senator, didn't mention who it was. George II Apr 2020 #28
I think she may be GOP and actually have run for office but lost...still checking into it. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #3
She claims to be a Democrat and Biden supporter Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2020 #29
I don't believe her... Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #67
Reade's story is not credible Gothmog Apr 2020 #5
+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2020 #39
The neighbor had to be reminded by Reade, it seems. mzmolly Apr 2020 #6
Sounds Like Flake And Liar To Me, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #9
Agree. mzmolly Apr 2020 #11
Good catch. Mike 03 Apr 2020 #61
Sounds like you propose using Republican tactics? Probably ironically. maxsolomon Apr 2020 #7
Yip, the slightest defense to LEWINSKY was framed as smearing-the-victim. UTUSN Apr 2020 #12
Dead Serious, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #14
Hear, mzmolly Apr 2020 #16
I'll defer to women on this issue. maxsolomon Apr 2020 #17
Looking at both accusers mzmolly Apr 2020 #18
I agree with you about credibility, but that doesn't close the book on Reade. maxsolomon Apr 2020 #21
I think she closed that mzmolly Apr 2020 #33
Carefully weighing any accusers story is where we must go Amishman Apr 2020 #50
Then the lies will continue unabated. Boomerproud Apr 2020 #19
Lies will always continue unabated. maxsolomon Apr 2020 #22
Believing Trump, Moore, And Kavanaugh Guilty, Sir, Does Not Require Believing Mr. Biden Is The Magistrate Apr 2020 #24
Nazis. Tipperary Apr 2020 #40
Will Edit, My Friend The Magistrate Apr 2020 #41
When often confronting Republicans, it is not uncommon to occasionally lapse into Republicanese DFW Apr 2020 #72
+1 HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #57
I have mixed feelings about your suggestion. aikoaiko Apr 2020 #62
Not a Very Good Riff, Though The Magistrate Apr 2020 #63
Sounds like that to me too sammythecat Apr 2020 #23
Moral Posturing Will Get You Nowhere, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #27
This cannot be stressed enough ibegurpard Apr 2020 #42
THIS. We don't smear people. We go high. Someone has to. Hortensis Apr 2020 #43
I'm OK with smearing dubious characters ibegurpard Apr 2020 #44
NO to normalizing smearing. It is not telling the truth about someone. Hortensis Apr 2020 #45
You mistakenly equate smearing with lying ibegurpard Apr 2020 #46
NO to normalization and adoption of Republican morality. BAD. Hortensis Apr 2020 #47
It is NOT a smear if it is the truth. not_the_one Apr 2020 #64
Studies show that Republican degradation of standards and Hortensis Apr 2020 #65
She's a liar, and a Putin operative working hard to get Dump re-elected. HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #56
Corroborators stepped out of the shadows to support Al Franken's accuser too ucrdem Apr 2020 #8
Remember that was started by Leeann Tweeden, a conservative talk-radio host and still_one Apr 2020 #25
Right, that's what it came down to, a joke photo and a liar ucrdem Apr 2020 #37
If Joe has an attorney regarding this, he may have been told not to talk about it. If I were his monmouth4 Apr 2020 #10
"I remember the skirt," LaCasse said. "I remember the fingers. I remember she was devastated." ucrdem Apr 2020 #13
And she had to be reminded years later, mzmolly Apr 2020 #15
She's lyng. kcr Apr 2020 #32
This neighbor is not a "witness", but someone who is relating an incident she heard still_one Apr 2020 #20
I believe that's called hearsay. Butterflylady Apr 2020 #30
You are correct still_one Apr 2020 #34
"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. The hands can't hit what the eyes can't see." nt WheelWalker Apr 2020 #26
I love your Casey Stengel quote, although it was "anybody". George II Apr 2020 #31
Reade's complaint has been deemed closed and inactive Gothmog Apr 2020 #35
Aha! Thanks. lamp_shade Apr 2020 #36
Case closed. ucrdem Apr 2020 #38
I agree, Sir. kentuck Apr 2020 #48
I think Biden should say something directly on camera, not just a terse statement from his campaign. honest.abe Apr 2020 #49
To be honest, I'm not sure what the best tactic is, and going on the offense might not be. redgreenandblue Apr 2020 #51
For Better Or Worse, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #55
I was immediately suspicious of this woman's claim for one reason. She said Biden's response Vinca Apr 2020 #52
This story is kept alive by people who promote Trump's rape-y behavior scrabblequeen40 Apr 2020 #53
And those with sour grapes HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #58
I completely agree, Magistrate mvd Apr 2020 #54
Thank You, My Friend The Magistrate Apr 2020 #71
Tara Reade is just not credible. Happy Hoosier Apr 2020 #59
From Business Insider regarding the neighbor who came forward: mzmolly Apr 2020 #66
Leading The Witness, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #68
Indeed. mzmolly Apr 2020 #69
I agree completely Sugarcoated Apr 2020 #60
Speaker Pelosi and Senator Klobuchar are satisfied with Joe Biden's denial Gothmog Apr 2020 #70
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