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Igel

(35,293 posts)
7. I've heard the "they're patients, not prisoners," line before. It rankles.
Fri May 1, 2020, 11:42 AM
May 2020

I find it best to say that they're both, otherwise we're using the phrase that the KGB folk used, because that's the usual status of somebody who's quarantined.

The USSR had a long history of using "patient" to mean prisoner--this person is suffering from a mental illness, you can tell because of their wrong politics, and they must be placed in a psychiatric hospital until they are well. (When I hear people discussing conservativism or some other -ism as a mental illness, I just think of their spiritual and intellectual forebears. They're simply unaware of the violation of human and civil rights that they're advocating, adding ignorance to their foolishness.)


You quarantine people that aren't patients, as well. If you came into contact with an infected person and aren't yet in the testing window, you to get locked up.

The way you have to do quarantining to be as effective as possible is to identify those who are possibly infected. They are then under what amounts to forcible detention. They don't go home. They can call to make arrangements, but they don't get to go home to make sure the kids are okay or to pack things. And since they might be infected, might not be, you hold them separate from those known to be infected and from each other.

The Chinese way of doing things was to use clinical diagnosis, including CAT scans, before administering the COVID PCR test. This would exclude the asymptomatic. Of course, the false negative rate would also cut some infected with COVID loose. It made for a very leaky sort of quarantine, which led to a very harsh lock-down and the perpetual fear of contagion from outside as travel from outside needs to be curtailed or harshly controlled and the borders are a risk. The surveillance system that was set up for political infection works really well for SARS-CoV-2 infection detection.

Probably 300k high school and college football players JustABozoOnThisBus May 2020 #1
I'm a Big College Football Fan in Texas but I just don't see how they can play in the Fall.... Stallion May 2020 #4
might make basketball more interesting (to me lol) OriginalGeek May 2020 #6
Ha. Wonder if we will ever know who got tested? But Laura PourMeADrink May 2020 #5
And this is the major problem w/ testing. A lot of people are freaking out, when they have the ... SWBTATTReg May 2020 #2
Good points...but unless something has changed, thought you Laura PourMeADrink May 2020 #8
Flu season is just about over anyway. Mariana May 2020 #13
At this point, we HAVE TO find out who's positive rocktivity May 2020 #3
I've heard the "they're patients, not prisoners," line before. It rankles. Igel May 2020 #7
We have to find out who has had it and resolved it. roamer65 May 2020 #22
COVID symptoms are very often just flu and allergy symptoms. Igel May 2020 #9
The symptoms overlap with symptoms of the flu. EllieBC May 2020 #10
Exactly. LisaL May 2020 #11
Many who have had Covid never knew they were sick. beachbumbob May 2020 #15
Same question as above. I know protocol used to be Laura PourMeADrink May 2020 #12
If you been exposed, you best get tested if in vulnerable group. beachbumbob May 2020 #14
Yes...have since figured out the universe of tested.. Laura PourMeADrink May 2020 #19
That's consistent with a small DU poll muriel_volestrangler May 2020 #16
Agree. But I am referring to the ratio of positives to total tested Laura PourMeADrink May 2020 #20
What I'm saying is a lot of people have some similar symptoms, so think they could have it muriel_volestrangler May 2020 #23
Understood 👍. But what I recall is that those people Laura PourMeADrink May 2020 #24
I am one of those. roamer65 May 2020 #21
But you weren't tested Laura PourMeADrink May 2020 #25
Correct. roamer65 May 2020 #26
Me too. Guess I am mixing topics her, sorry Laura PourMeADrink May 2020 #27
First responders and medical personnel Takket May 2020 #17
And that is of course duly necessary. Just seems a Laura PourMeADrink May 2020 #18
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