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In reply to the discussion: Updated - Reuters: New coronavirus losing potency, top Italian doctor says [View all]Rstrstx
(1,392 posts)61. Ok to be fair, I ran what the doctor actually said in Italian through google translate
This seems to be the part that got everyone worked up in Italy:
Covid-19 "from the clinical point of view no longer exists". The San Raffaele head of Milan Alberto Zangrillo, director of intensive care, is convinced of this. Words that immediately ignited the controversy among the experts, with expressions of bewilderment and condemnation especially by the scientists who are part of the technical scientific committee.
It all started during the broadcast Mezz'ora in più on Raitre, when speaking of the observations on the situation of the Lombardy Region, Zangrillo said: "I really laugh. Today is May 31st and about a month ago we heard epidemiologists say they fear a new wave at the end of the month / beginning of June and who knows how many intensive care places there would have been. In reality, the virus practically no longer exists from a clinical point of view...
...The swabs performed in the last 10 days have a viral load from the quantitative point of view (are) absolutely infinitesimal compared to those performed on patients of a month, two months ago."
It all started during the broadcast Mezz'ora in più on Raitre, when speaking of the observations on the situation of the Lombardy Region, Zangrillo said: "I really laugh. Today is May 31st and about a month ago we heard epidemiologists say they fear a new wave at the end of the month / beginning of June and who knows how many intensive care places there would have been. In reality, the virus practically no longer exists from a clinical point of view...
...The swabs performed in the last 10 days have a viral load from the quantitative point of view (are) absolutely infinitesimal compared to those performed on patients of a month, two months ago."
It could be the American press took the liberty of inserting the "much less lethal" part in there, but I'm not fluent in Italian so can't be sure. Still, his claims were quite extraordinary and were met with rightful skepticism by his colleagues in Italy.
For those fortunate enough to be fluent in Italian, this was the original text:
Il Covid-19 "dal punto di vista clinico non esiste più". Ne è convinto il primario del San Raffaele di Milano Alberto Zangrillo, direttore della terapia intensiva. Parole che hanno immediatamente infiammato la polemica tra gli esperti, con espressioni di sconcerto e di condanna soprattutto da parte degli scienziati che fanno parte del comitato tecnico scientifico.
Tutto è cominciato durante la trasmissione Mezz'ora in più su Raitre, quando a proposito delle osservazioni sulla situazione della Regione Lombardia, Zangrillo ha detto: "Mi viene veramente da ridere. Oggi è il 31 di maggio e circa un mese fa sentivamo gli epidemiologi dire di temere grandemente una nuova ondata per la fine del mese/inizio di giugno e chissà quanti posti di terapia intensiva ci sarebbero stati da occupare. In realtà il virus, praticamente, dal punto di vista clinico non esiste più...
...I tamponi eseguiti negli ultimi 10 giorni hanno una carica virale dal punto di vista quantitativo assolutamente infinitesimale rispetto a quelli eseguiti su pazienti di un mese, due mesi fa."
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Updated - Reuters: New coronavirus losing potency, top Italian doctor says [View all]
phylny
May 2020
OP
Great if true really really skeptical, this doctor is talking about viral load not a mutated virus
uponit7771
May 2020
#3
This too, where I'm at around 50% of the people are wearing masks and that's pretty good
uponit7771
May 2020
#48
And viral load is influenced by many factors, like mask wearing and social distancing.
Blue_true
May 2020
#45
Ok to be fair, I ran what the doctor actually said in Italian through google translate
Rstrstx
Jun 2020
#61
We have had a rise in cases - I think 20 more than two weeks ago (we live in a rural area) and
phylny
May 2020
#24
Let them publish their conclusion with data for peer review. Otherwise their claim is suspect.
Raven123
May 2020
#16
+1, if the virus hasn't mutated I don't care for amount of viral load if they haven't tested
uponit7771
May 2020
#40