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Hortensis

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18. Problem is, they almost never redeem. Populist leaders
Wed Jun 24, 2020, 11:08 AM
Jun 2020

almost always turn out to be -- at best -- incompetent leaders or they wouldn't have NEEDED to adopt populist tactics in an end run to get power. It's a natural sifting.

Those capable of redeeming a nation seek power forthrightly by honest persuasion of majorities to vote for them. You know, campaign like Biden, and Obama. And they work hard to build confidence in their nation's future, as they are as always doing, instead of inflaming dissatisfaction and resentment at "the establishment" that must always be destroyed rather than fixed.

Maybe examine the METHODS populist leaders typically use and ask what kind of government those methods would be continued in. Leaders who, for instance, seek power through election tampering are incredibly more likely to use their power to expand their tampering to keep power than they are to fix the system they helped break. We SEE this.

Same for leaders who routinely deceive people in pursuit of power (which populist leaders always do, usually styling their power seeking as a reform movement). They're not going to institute ethical, transparent government. They're going to co-opt what they've taken over and continue the deceit that worked so well as they build on it. We SEE this.

Part of the problem is the word "populist." It sounds like it's of and for "the people." But it's not. It's an alternative means of getting power when "the people" approached honestly won't give it to them.

What is a populist? [View all] kentuck Jun 2020 OP
Differences in populism between the 2 parties JonLP24 Jun 2020 #1
Umhm. Defined by the current leaders, the LW version was class warfare Hortensis Jun 2020 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Jun 2020 #6
Class warfare has already been declared by the rich onto the rest of us, how dare we attempt to... Humanist_Activist Jun 2020 #15
Suspect my moving most of my comment to its own post Hortensis Jun 2020 #8
I misread your post so I sent you a reply that had nothing to do with what you said JonLP24 Jun 2020 #10
Oh, been there, done that! :) Hortensis Jun 2020 #11
Demagogues Doc_Technical Jun 2020 #2
A euphemism for "unpopular and crazy?" lagomorph777 Jun 2020 #3
I disagree with significant portions of this academic description Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 #5
Yours is the imagining of earnest supporters of change, Hortensis Jun 2020 #9
A populist movement can be a tool to destroy a nation. Or it can be a tool to redeem one Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 #13
Problem is, they almost never redeem. Populist leaders Hortensis Jun 2020 #18
I think the crux of this debate revolves around the terms "populist movement" vs "populist leader" Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 #19
Good national leaders try to draw everyone Hortensis Jun 2020 #20
A good national leader has a strong moral compass Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 #24
Yes. And must always be very clear-eyed about what is moral. Hortensis Jun 2020 #26
Here we reach full agreement Tom Rinaldo Jun 2020 #27
:) Nice! Hortensis Jun 2020 #28
The most telling proof that populism is more a harnessed negative energy Hortensis Jun 2020 #7
I've always thought of it as politics for low info folks BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #12
Like Hope and Change JonLP24 Jun 2020 #21
This.... Hotler Jun 2020 #14
As a stand-alone political ideology, it's vague, tricky and poorly defined; as a frame or flavor on WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #16
'Populist' is an abused term, imo empedocles Jun 2020 #17
My guess is it's different depending on country & era. In the US post-1960? Racist. Drunken Irishman Jun 2020 #22
Populism is broadly aimed at "for the people" (e.g. "us") vs power interests and outsiders ("them") brooklynite Jun 2020 #23
Your first paragraph. Is that populism or just the truth? JonLP24 Jun 2020 #25
We also have to think of the term in context of the dominant social and political paradigm. Caliman73 Jun 2020 #29
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