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Oneironaut

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22. I would argue prostitutes are also being abused by the system.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 08:20 PM
Oct 2020

Does any prostitute actually want to be a prostitute, or, are they forced to become prostitutes because our Capitalist society refuses to support them without giving something in return? Do you know why so many trans women are prostitutes, in porn, or “cam girls” (or guys in the case of trans men)? It’s because they are forced to. The threat of starving is no different than being threatened by a gun - if you need to survive, you get desperate. Sex is a commodity in our society, and when you have no other useful skills, you are forced into it.

I do not, and I do not begrudge people who watch ethical porn, but I have read countering view points (feminist points of view to completely pro-pornography points of view). I am sex-positive when there is no power imbalance and it’s between consenting adults. To me, porn is a poor substitute to real human companionship and sex.

I hate to tell you that those women are not having a good time. No woman wants a guy they don’t know to choke them, call them hurtful names, and hurt them. Everything in those videos is fake.

BDSM is a total false equivalency. In those situations, you usually have a safe word. If you say it, it’s over. That’s the whole point - it’s not exploitive in any way. Those men are still in control. They can get up and leave. A teenager coerced into being in a porn video likely would not have as much control.

If we treated most porn businesses like any other business, they would be closed down immediately. That is something I am totally for.

You are absolutely right, but often on DU a contingent comes out of the woodwork that Squinch Oct 2020 #1
Missed this because it showed up while I was typing-- yes, I am one of those in the woodwork... TreasonousBastard Oct 2020 #7
. Squinch Oct 2020 #8
I really disagree with the second paragraph. Oneironaut Oct 2020 #11
Yes. And being trafficked is really not the road to riches. Squinch Oct 2020 #17
Well, I don't have any recent numbers off hand, but over the years I have run into some, and... TreasonousBastard Oct 2020 #18
I would argue prostitutes are also being abused by the system. Oneironaut Oct 2020 #22
You said it, oneironaut. Adult and with consent, otherwise shut them down and prosecute. MLAA Oct 2020 #2
K&R! ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #3
I think it's based in Montreal. maxsolomon Oct 2020 #4
Yes - Absolutely! Oneironaut Oct 2020 #6
Do they currently regulate the content? maxsolomon Oct 2020 #10
I don't know - that's really the problem. Does anyone? Oneironaut Oct 2020 #12
I agree that porn leads to despicable acts, and they should be punished. Where I get in... TreasonousBastard Oct 2020 #5
In the real world, lots and lots and lots of people get hurt in the worlds of porn and Squinch Oct 2020 #9
So, let's stop them from being hurt. Walking away from it, or trying to shut it down... TreasonousBastard Oct 2020 #14
Sure. Because in the history of the world that has ever worked. Just stop them from being hurt. Squinch Oct 2020 #16
Your answer then is to try to shut it down driving it underground where there are no protections? TreasonousBastard Oct 2020 #19
Ever hired anyone to do construction work? brooklynite Oct 2020 #21
Sure. It's just like construction work. Squinch Oct 2020 #37
I hear myself very clearly brooklynite Oct 2020 #38
Sure. Objecting to systematized rape, abuse and trafficking makes me just like a Squinch Oct 2020 #40
The maker's and sellers of porn should have to be licensed, insured and regulated Marrah_Goodman Oct 2020 #39
That might work, but then we run into the law-- do magazines or Disney movies have to be licensed? TreasonousBastard Oct 2020 #41
Or You Tubers obamanut2012 Oct 2020 #42
I believe they are. SlogginThroughIt Oct 2020 #43
I'm not sure how much profit motive has to do with it, not for the people uploading the videos Silent3 Oct 2020 #13
There are always exceptions, but women owning the production Oneironaut Oct 2020 #15
This sounds a lot like... Silent3 Oct 2020 #23
In this case, yes, absolutely. Oneironaut Oct 2020 #25
So you're basically okay with profiling when it comes to this? n/t Silent3 Oct 2020 #27
Yes. Oneironaut Oct 2020 #29
I'm going to have to gently disagree. crickets Oct 2020 #33
That's one person, not a trend, though. Oneironaut Oct 2020 #34
I was thinking in terms of power imbalance regardless of sex, which I didn't clarify. crickets Oct 2020 #35
How many clicked through to learn that the source of this accusation is... brooklynite Oct 2020 #20
The linked site uses sources from a variety of different sites. Oneironaut Oct 2020 #24
The Newsweek citation is from a year ago... brooklynite Oct 2020 #26
This is the Newsweek article I was talking about. Oneironaut Oct 2020 #28
10/23/19... brooklynite Oct 2020 #30
Hence the problem, yes? Oneironaut Oct 2020 #32
Never mind. I thought Fox "News" was being shut down. madinmaryland Oct 2020 #31
I know this all too well! n/t tormadjax Oct 2020 #36
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