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myccrider

(484 posts)
32. Sigh
Sat Oct 31, 2020, 05:43 PM
Oct 2020

Yeah, a lot of the old SF/F tales I loved back in the day have been visited by the ‘sucks fairy’ when I’ve tried to reread them. Heinlein was more progressive wrt sexism and racism for his time. Part of why I loved him as a teen in the 60s was his female characters - oh goody, girls who can do things besides screeching/fainting, being a sex object and getting coffee, or just being absent altogether. Sucks fairy got him, though.

Funny corollary, I watch some of those younger people on YouTube who listen to old (read ‘my‘) music and ‘react’. In a couple of recent videos, the generational differences in what was shocking and what wasn’t popped up.

These two college kids, both guys, listened to The Kinks "Lola" (for those who don’t know it’s about a guy falling for a ‘girl’ and discovering she’s trans but being ok with it. It was a extremely edgy at the time). The kids understood the ‘story’ but didn’t blink an eye and just talked about the instruments, beat, musicality, etc. Later, they listened to The Police’s "Don’t Stand So Close to Me" (about male HS teacher being pursued by young girl student and being tempted). The kids reacted with astonishment and some negativity to the theme but thought it was a catchy tune.

Times and culture change, often for the better.

I thought men were from Mars and women are from Venus. Beakybird Oct 2020 #1
Except Trump, Who Is From Uranus nt smb Oct 2020 #5
Sharing water is next you know.... wcmagumba Oct 2020 #2
No stranger to a strange land, eh? nt mitch96 Oct 2020 #3
Meaning, please? For the untwittering ignorant? question everything Oct 2020 #4
From Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land" SF classic Maeve Oct 2020 #6
Grok is a neologism coined in the book "Stranger in a Strange Land" aidbo Oct 2020 #7
I tried to read it a few years ago. It just doesn't hold up. Dave Starsky Oct 2020 #17
yeah i must have read it about 30 years ago now.. aidbo Oct 2020 #23
Sigh myccrider Oct 2020 #32
I read both the highly-edited (i.e. Censored) original in the early/mid 60's, and then Heinlein's niyad Oct 2020 #27
Grok is far older than Twitter. Hugin Oct 2020 #8
Thanks. I should have googled it but was not sure question everything Oct 2020 #9
It's a word science fiction writer Robert Heinlein invented for "to understand intuitively" muriel_volestrangler Oct 2020 #13
I always hated that word because PCIntern Oct 2020 #19
Heinlein wrote for 13-year-old boys. Dave Starsky Oct 2020 #20
At one point in the 1930s Heinlein was a socialist. rsdsharp Oct 2020 #21
I always knew that Rachael UpInArms Oct 2020 #10
That was a rare blast from the past. procon Oct 2020 #11
Hey, I remember it, and use it. niyad Oct 2020 #24
So do I! CozyMystery Oct 2020 #26
Jubal Harshaw remains one of my favourite fictional characters. niyad Oct 2020 #29
I don't know Laurelin Oct 2020 #31
"I grok Spock" Coventina Oct 2020 #12
Rachel has used the term before Gothmog Oct 2020 #14
I have heard her use it a number of times. niyad Oct 2020 #28
I just used that term in regards to talking about Kris Kobach TlalocW Oct 2020 #15
I've heard her say it before. Liberal In Texas Oct 2020 #16
Awww...Heinlein was such a great part of my adolescence. nolabear Oct 2020 #18
Rachel will be on Sunday night Gothmog Oct 2020 #22
A good word. jeffreyi Oct 2020 #25
Imagine if you had read it as he originally wrote it. rsdsharp Oct 2020 #30
I was in line at a drive through and I heard Rachel used "grok" again Gothmog Nov 2020 #33
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