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The Velveteen Ocelot

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16. How? In the Civil War there were entire discrete states that wanted to secede as a group

Wed Nov 4, 2020, 11:51 AM

Nov 2020

because their economies depended on slavery, and the northern abolitionists were raining on their parade. Those states were able to put together an army and a government and fight a violent war for four years. The current situation, though, isn't really one group of states vs. another; the divide is primarily urban vs. rural within each state. Most of the large cities in politically red states are blue; most of the rural areas in politically blue states are red. I don't know how secession would be feasible even if enough people wanted it. Are you going to have constant skirmishes between cities and surrounding rural counties? Can Atlanta secede from Georgia? How on earth could that work?

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Maybe it's time to talk secession. [View all] Yavin4 Nov 2020 OP

no answers. sad. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2020 #1

Secession has been a fantasy dream of mine for more than a little while mtnsnake Nov 2020 #2

No that is what kremlin would want putin TEB Nov 2020 #3

Plus I'd be screwed down in here in Texas. Bucky Nov 2020 #7

Just move SoCalNative Nov 2020 #9

OR we could half of us move to Texas, and half of us move to Florida. BComplex Nov 2020 #15

Nope SoCalNative Nov 2020 #18

Houston, Galveston, Corpus, and Brownsville make for a pretty damn blue coast my friend. Bucky Nov 2020 #25

But it's still SoCalNative Nov 2020 #27

Now there is an IDEA. Captain Zero Nov 2020 #23

You don't have to pay state income taxes! BComplex Nov 2020 #47

Then they will play tit-for-tat Polybius Nov 2020 #49

Exactly TEB Nov 2020 #26

We won't leave you 😂 TEB Nov 2020 #71

+1, that would be Putin's wet dream uponit7771 Nov 2020 #36

Yes TEB Nov 2020 #41

The blue states pay the bills- SallyHemmings Nov 2020 #4

I've wanted Calif to go alone for 20 years now. padfun Nov 2020 #5

I don't believe it is as close as it is. Vdizzle Nov 2020 #6

So NY would secede and become its own little country? cwydro Nov 2020 #8

I'd add the New England states for starters elias7 Nov 2020 #12

What about all the "militias" in those states. cwydro Nov 2020 #22

But there would be a little problem.... moose65 Nov 2020 #29

Libs and cons can live and work together elias7 Nov 2020 #57

Why would you leave out Virginia? We have worked SO HARD! phylny Nov 2020 #70

New York and New England are ready made Canadian provinces. roamer65 Nov 2020 #14

I don't get the fascination with becoming part of Canada Retrograde Nov 2020 #59

There are benefits in political union. roamer65 Nov 2020 #67

Any state that wants to join the Blue nation would be allowed to join. n/t Yavin4 Nov 2020 #20

Good luck! cwydro Nov 2020 #24

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Yeah.... TwilightZone Nov 2020 #17

What's that little blue county up Michigan's upper pen? Bucky Nov 2020 #28

Please don't post that misleading map moose65 Nov 2020 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Nov 2020 #35

It's to point out the impossible task of forming borders... TwilightZone Nov 2020 #42

Not yet. roamer65 Nov 2020 #11

43% of NY voters voted for Trump. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #13

Becoming part of a new country, a blue one, would be good reason for them to leave mtnsnake Nov 2020 #39

It's not that simple. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #44

I never said or thought anything like that. mtnsnake Nov 2020 #58

Late last night I clicked on my state Oregon marlakay Nov 2020 #40

How? In the Civil War there were entire discrete states that wanted to secede as a group The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #16

NY is a red state that looks blue because of NYC's massive voting block... TreasonousBastard Nov 2020 #37

It couldn't work, and wouldn't. crickets Nov 2020 #63

I agree. There's no way to do it without causing something worse. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #64

Being very old, H2O Man Nov 2020 #19

I feel the same MA Mom Nov 2020 #21

Here's the problem as I see it. Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #30

We could start our own currency, social programs, and tax laws. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #34

Secession is out (remember the last time we tried it?) and I have no answer... TreasonousBastard Nov 2020 #32

Works for me! Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #33

That question was answered in 1865. The answer was no. Fiendish Thingy Nov 2020 #38

Secession ain't gonna happen. Wednesdays Nov 2020 #43

At this point we are two countries, intertwined. Look at the history of Pakistan/India partition... Hekate Nov 2020 #45

Then there's little to no hope. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #46

We just keep slogging. My POV changed forever with Bush v Gore 20 years ago... Hekate Nov 2020 #56

You're talking sense. Thank you. nt crickets Nov 2020 #62

Let's, although I seem to recall sarisataka Nov 2020 #48

No... NurseJackie Nov 2020 #50

Why? How? Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2020 #51

No budkin Nov 2020 #52

How are we going to unite? Blaukraut Nov 2020 #53

So, over on Facebook this topic came up. I came up with some thoughts. GoneOffShore Nov 2020 #54

I'm in. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #55

I feel we're just too unstable to hold this much power in the world. ego_nation Nov 2020 #60

"We need a common enemy to unite us." moondust Nov 2020 #61

Perhaps, so. How do you propose we split your state (NY) up? Captain Stern Nov 2020 #65

NO csziggy Nov 2020 #66

Yep. We each choose our government (red or blue), then go from there ecstatic Nov 2020 #68

I think it's inevitable that it will eventually come to that. Crunchy Frog Nov 2020 #69

Can't we just kick out 5 red states, instead? nt coti Nov 2020 #72

I do think that secession could work, even today, . . . wackadoo wabbit Nov 2020 #73

It's been by dream for years Polybius Nov 2020 #74