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Hekate

(90,556 posts)
25. I keep trying to tell you guys, California is not the solid liberal paradise you think it is...
Sun Nov 8, 2020, 07:18 AM
Nov 2020

While I’m at it, may I point out that taking so much out of the Legislature and putting it up for direct popular vote (the “Propositions”) is a fricking stupid idea. We elect legislators to get into the details and legislate. Oh wait, we voted for term limits so just when an elected official is getting a good grasp on things, they get turfed out of office and like as not go find a job as a lobbyist.

My husband and I did what we always do: took all the recommendations from the Los Angeles Times (gravitas), the Santa Barbara Independent (liberal), and the League of Women Voters (impartial) and compared them. We looked at who is endorsing each Proposition: cui bono? We discuss it with each other.

The dialysis centers are a case in point. Prop 23 is something the Legislature should have hammered out, but it came up “from the people,” i.e. those who could raise enough money to get enough signatures on petitions. As near as we can tell, the bottom line is that trained sub-professionals are fully capable of running a modern dialysis center, and Prop 23 would have mandated that each one have an MD, NP, or PA on site. We are short of doctors, NPs, and PAs, and that would actually cause closures. You would not believe how many people are on dialysis to stay alive after their kidneys fail (often from the diabetes that is running rampant in the US).

But wait, there’s more. The Indy said vote Yes. The League of Women Voters was Neutral. The LA Times said they would not endorse because there was no evidence it would help patients, but was in fact being used improperly as a labor organizing tool. Say what? We ended up leaving the damn thing blank. We are pro-union as all get-out, but this is not the way to get there.

I’m not as grumpy as I sound just now & I didn’t mean to jump on you. This day when Joe Biden finally became the President-Elect has been emotionally exhausting, starting with tears and hyper-ventilation when I turned on the news early in the a.m., and ending with more tears watching Kamala and Joe speak in Delaware, and I have not slept well for 4 years anyway. Immediately after dinner I crashed on the couch and slept for 6 solid hours. My husband finally woke me up after 1 a.m. and suggested I go to actual bed. Now that I’ve done a few things, I will do that. It’s 3 a.m.


Don't Blame Me sfstaxprep Nov 2020 #1
I saw that No on 15 ad 4 times during the 30 minutes I spent in a coffee shop the other day. dogknob Nov 2020 #3
I know...it makes me pissed off (still/again). BigmanPigman Nov 2020 #2
Your party for that is going to be, well, weird greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #4
then propositions lapfog_1 Nov 2020 #5
Don't people go this route because the legislature won't take it up? Renew Deal Nov 2020 #30
I think pandemic may have affected the outcome AlexSFCA Nov 2020 #6
Not really, California has a history of opposing higher taxes on these propositions JI7 Nov 2020 #22
What happened to CA right wing initiatives . . . people Nov 2020 #7
I studied these issues carefully - in particular airplaneman Nov 2020 #11
Maybe we minority DU members who are moderates are on to something? GulfCoast66 Nov 2020 #8
Well said. DavidDvorkin Nov 2020 #9
Thank you. GulfCoast66 Nov 2020 #10
OMG, yes to all of this eissa Nov 2020 #12
You're right. We need to.learn from the past 4 years and this election. Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #17
Excellent Post ProfessorGAC Nov 2020 #26
Very very well said! Amishman Nov 2020 #27
Perfectly stated. dware Nov 2020 #31
Slight distinction. Bloomberg took votes from Biden here, R B Garr Nov 2020 #13
Because of the TV ads, no means yes and visa versa. Most people are stupid... winstars Nov 2020 #14
Because of the TV ads, no means yes and visa versa. Most people are stupid... winstars Nov 2020 #15
The greedy have to greed. nt Boogiemack Nov 2020 #16
I really hate most propositions. I can't moonscape Nov 2020 #18
TOTALLY agree, I despise them. I'm sick of having to do the work for the legislature , they're Raine Nov 2020 #20
And we have someone to hold accountable. n/t moonscape Nov 2020 #24
My default vote on propositions is "no" tinrobot Nov 2020 #23
It pays to remember that many people vote their pocketbook, not their moral compass. Sad, but artemisia1 Nov 2020 #19
Raising Property Taxes in California is suicide ansible Nov 2020 #21
the proposition was about commercial property only AlexSFCA Nov 2020 #36
I keep trying to tell you guys, California is not the solid liberal paradise you think it is... Hekate Nov 2020 #25
trump lost RandiFan1290 Nov 2020 #28
I thought I saw someone from the left was happy Renew Deal Nov 2020 #29
Here in the Land of Lincoln BarackTheVote Nov 2020 #32
This is a center left country...it seems even in blue California. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #33
It's about messaging, Lebowski NT BarackTheVote Nov 2020 #34
I would not characterize those propositions as "right wing" Zorro Nov 2020 #35
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