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csziggy

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17. In the UK many medical doctors and sugeons are not called "Doctor"
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 03:50 PM
Dec 2020
In the United Kingdom, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and other areas whose culture was recently linked to the United Kingdom, the title Doctor generally applies to both academic and clinical environment. "Registered medical practitioners" usually do not have a doctorate; rather, they have the degree of Bachelor of Medicine (usually conjoint with Surgery). Cultural conventions exist, clinicians who are Members or Fellows of the Royal College of Surgeons are an exception. As an homage to their predecessors, the barber surgeons, they prefer to be addressed as Mr, Mrs, Ms or Miss, even if they do hold a doctorate. This is first because they have normally achieved another degree - that of Master of Surgery (MCh from the Latin magister chirurgiae) from a university. When a medically-qualified person passes the notoriously difficult examinations which enable them to become a member of one or more of the Royal Surgical Colleges and become "MRCS", it is customary for them to drop the "doctor" prefix and take up "mister". This rule applies to any doctor of any grade who has passed the appropriate exams, and is not the exclusive province of consultant-level surgeons. In recent times, other surgically-orientated specialists, such as gynaecologists, have also adopted the "mister" prefix. A surgeon who is also a professor is usually known as "Professor", and similarly a surgeon who has been ennobled, knighted, created a baronet, or appointed a dame uses the corresonding title (Lord, Sir, Dame). Physicians, on the other hand, when they pass their "MRCP" examinations, which enable them to become members of the Royal College of Physicians, do not drop the "Doctor" prefix and remain doctor, even when they are consultants. In the United Kingdom the status and rank of consultant surgeons with the MRCS, titled "mister", and consultant physicians with the MRCP, titled "doctor", is identical. Surgeons in the USA and elsewhere may have the title "doctor".

https://separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogspot.com/2007/12/physicians-titles.html


More at:
https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/international-doctors/life-and-work-in-the-uk/toolkit-for-doctors-new-to-the-uk/doctors-titles-explained

PhDs that are not doctor but that are academics may be called "Doctor" or "Professor."

So if the column writer objects to calling Dr. Biden "Dr." he should call her "Professor." Either will give her the respect and deference she should have with her credentials and experience.

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Dr. Jill Biden as a PHD has a right to the be called doctor. The WSJ can shut the fuck up. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #1
She doesn't have a PhD. Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #21
Unlike the author of that piece of crappy writing, MineralMan Dec 2020 #2
LOL! n/t EndlessWire Dec 2020 #31
Epstein doesn't know the difference between an MD - a physician jpak Dec 2020 #3
Her doctorate is an Ed.D, not a PhD. n/t Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #22
What does the "D" stand for? jpak Dec 2020 #27
I'm not arguing that she does not deserve to be called Doctor Biden. Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #29
The D stands for doctorate. PhD is abbreviation Philosophy, Doctorate usajumpedtheshark Dec 2020 #36
No. Dr Biden worked for, did the research and defended her dissertation. She earned the title irisblue Dec 2020 #4
Oh but "Dr. Phill" is just fine? Under The Radar Dec 2020 #5
Perhaps Mr. Epstein could be... 2naSalit Dec 2020 #6
Mr. Foot-in-His-Mouth - Mr. Epstein - "Ep" - Kiddo: Kitchari Dec 2020 #7
Lil Andy's mommy... tonedevil Dec 2020 #8
Epstein has a BA. Dr. Biden's credentials are above his skill set. nt Xipe Totec Dec 2020 #9
"Kiddo?" What happened to "honey"? MaryMagdaline Dec 2020 #10
Another example of GOP anti-intellectualism idziak4ever1234 Dec 2020 #11
mansplained bigtree Dec 2020 #12
According to traditional formal etiquette, he's right... regnaD kciN Dec 2020 #13
Emily Post disagrees. Happy Hoosier Dec 2020 #26
"Kiddo", "Kiddo", "Kiddo" what the F*** Biophilic Dec 2020 #14
That's like saying you're not an engineer unless you drive a train. Towlie Dec 2020 #15
LOL! n/t EndlessWire Dec 2020 #33
An engineer friend, when introduced to someone as 'Dr. whatever', would reply... SeattleVet Dec 2020 #16
I love that!!! obamanut2012 Dec 2020 #37
In the UK many medical doctors and sugeons are not called "Doctor" csziggy Dec 2020 #17
We threw the Brits out over 200 years ago PCIntern Dec 2020 #19
Chasten Buttigieg, who is working on his Masters degree in Education has something to add irisblue Dec 2020 #18
What a sexist jerk. n/t KWR65 Dec 2020 #20
What an idiot drlindaphd Dec 2020 #23
Just WOW LeftishBrit Dec 2020 #24
As an academic with an earned Doctor of Education degree Jill Biden is entitled to go by "Dr." StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #25
My dad was a doctor of education. He was entitled to the honorary of Dr. GulfCoast66 Dec 2020 #28
Your dad's doctorate and title was not hororary, drlindaphd Dec 2020 #32
Ok. Your right. He just chose not to use it because where he worked. But was very proud of it. GulfCoast66 Dec 2020 #34
J Epstein needs to STFU. Crunchy Frog Dec 2020 #30
She should be called "Doctor." EndlessWire Dec 2020 #35
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