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Yeah! Blame the Democrats! sweetloukillbot Dec 2020 #1
I don't want to sit back and watch them do nothing like you obviously prefer to do. mtnsnake Dec 2020 #4
What specific actions do you want wnylib Dec 2020 #124
THIS soldierant Dec 2020 #143
Beautiful! StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #153
⭐⭐ PERFECT! ⭐⭐ NurseJackie Dec 2020 #160
Thank you! betsuni Dec 2020 #162
10-4 that. fleabiscuit Dec 2020 #280
why do so many DUers assume the only action we take is beefing here? Skittles Dec 2020 #181
So tell us more about the actions. wnylib Dec 2020 #199
the bar is set very low for repukes Skittles Dec 2020 #224
Where is the outrage? wnylib Dec 2020 #242
ok, done here Skittles Dec 2020 #252
Interesting that I was thinking it wnylib Dec 2020 #255
Not sure how you can read wnylib's post and assume anything went over their head StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #258
Agreed. Why win elections when you could scream on tv? nt mattclearing Dec 2020 #288
Excellent perspective msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #302
Thank you. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #190
Yes, we the people have as much wnylib Dec 2020 #207
People are going to have to get more involved and invested in society if change is happening. betsuni Dec 2020 #219
In order to evolve... sheshe2 Dec 2020 #243
The solution given here is for more protests in the streets, strong language, betsuni Dec 2020 #244
It's a thousand times better than your plan mtnsnake Dec 2020 #245
When did I have a plan to do nothing and sit back? betsuni Dec 2020 #248
It's easier to attack a strawman than to admit that one doesn't have a ehrnst Dec 2020 #291
I really wanted to know how I had a terrible plan to sit back and do nothing! betsuni Dec 2020 #306
Apparently if you don't demand that Dems "scream bloody murder on TV every day" ehrnst Dec 2020 #310
Hm. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #247
I agree. It just doesn't work that way. Democratic voters aren't like Republican voters who don't betsuni Dec 2020 #250
I've never understood why some Democrats think the only way to beat Republicans StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #259
All the complaints that Democrats are Republican Lite and so on and now this. betsuni Dec 2020 #263
I find the "Democrats need to scream louder" to be the most immature form of political engagenent StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #266
Yes. Emotion, anger and loud screaming as "fighting" is immature. betsuni Dec 2020 #268
Betsuni, every Republican out there will surely agree with you mtnsnake Dec 2020 #271
I don't know where you're getting the "roll over and play dead" thing. betsuni Dec 2020 #273
False dilemma AND a strawman fallacy ehrnst Dec 2020 #289
There is nothing more immature than posting the same exact thing a dozen times in 1 thread mtnsnake Dec 2020 #270
Point taken and I agree. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #269
Beautifully said, as usual StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #275
Thank you. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #278
It's certainly working well for MAGA crowd - Maybe we need to get flags and trucks? sweetloukillbot Dec 2020 #309
Thank you, wnylib Hekate Dec 2020 #196
Sorry, wnylib, with umpteen posts in the trhead I didnt see your post until just a while ago mtnsnake Dec 2020 #217
+1000 Maven Dec 2020 #220
Your point about messaging is wnylib Dec 2020 #251
+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #256
Well said mtnsnake Dec 2020 #257
+1 to all three of you! Bettie Dec 2020 #260
Okay, I'll play Maven Dec 2020 #218
Awesome post, Maven mtnsnake Dec 2020 #222
Thank you! Maven Dec 2020 #226
Yep, our party...yes, OUR party Bettie Dec 2020 #297
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Dec 2020 #136
No problem mtnsnake Dec 2020 #148
Passivity? StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #191
I was amused by this claim also Gothmog Dec 2020 #329
You can tell the people who aren't really interested in progress but just want to complain StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #330
+10000000000000000 betsuni Dec 2020 #331
Agreed. Asking our folks to fight harder is NOT blaming them but coaching them samsingh Dec 2020 #149
So what are you looking for? Have you ever been involved in legislation or negotiations.... George II Dec 2020 #193
You are wrong in your analysis Gothmog Dec 2020 #328
Yeah, a few more stern letters will work any day now. nt Doremus Dec 2020 #6
The Dems being seen as weak allows people to think that both parties don't represent the people DSandra Dec 2020 #39
The Democrat That Said Trump Should Be Arrested On Jan 20 As He Leaves The White House? DanieRains Dec 2020 #132
If anyone surrendered before a fight began in any other setting, it's be seen as betrayal DSandra Dec 2020 #166
Weak Dem image suppresses voter turnout??? wnylib Dec 2020 #138
Actions must be bold. Language must be bold. When bullies bluster and threaten, get in their face. Magoo48 Dec 2020 #154
Like the stern letter about the coronavirus stimulus plan signed by Bernie Sanders and five other betsuni Dec 2020 #141
+10000. ehrnst Dec 2020 #295
I hate to say it, but you have a good point. They do need to be taking OnDoutside Dec 2020 #2
Tend to agree somewhat. triron Dec 2020 #7
Yes, there's no reason why Democrats can't be strident in taking OnDoutside Dec 2020 #60
Maybe you missed these? ehrnst Dec 2020 #298
I agree. We need better communicators. Porter puts the message in "kitchen table" terms Raven123 Dec 2020 #3
Exactly. Our people are great people & super intelligent but mtnsnake Dec 2020 #8
Yes, MUCH better communicators needed. elleng Dec 2020 #31
Why do you think communication is the problem? StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #36
I have never said that 'screaming and yelling' would change any minds. elleng Dec 2020 #57
So does AOC. And Swalwell. And Brian Schatz. And many others. Maven Dec 2020 #131
They're our hope for the future. WinstonSmith4740 Dec 2020 #158
Committee Assignments sheshe2 Dec 2020 #261
Apart from all that, what have the Romans ever done for us? nt fleabiscuit Dec 2020 #281
... betsuni Dec 2020 #282
... sheshe2 Dec 2020 #320
... fleabiscuit Dec 2020 #325
Screaming bloody murder is still just talking. Walleye Dec 2020 #5
Well, for starters, since you asked mtnsnake Dec 2020 #12
No I agree. But, it's still just talking and no one is listening. Walleye Dec 2020 #14
I'm sure that Mitch McConnell will vote to impeach him if we yell louder sweetloukillbot Dec 2020 #19
Yes, Mitch and the Trump humpers TOTALLY respond to yelling on the part of Democratic leaders. ehrnst Dec 2020 #304
And what will the result of that be? StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #20
Who are you even talking about? Budi Dec 2020 #23
Sitting on their thumbs? Like this? ehrnst Dec 2020 #299
'It's Treason.' House Democrats Seize On 'Transcript' of Trump's Ukraine Call ehrnst Dec 2020 #303
Yell it louder, slower and sound really really mad when we do it StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #13
Do you honestly think the "Trump is undermining democracy" meme hasn't gotten us anywhere? mtnsnake Dec 2020 #22
How exactly do you think Democrats going on tv and screaming bloody murder is going to change their StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #24
If you don't know what screaming bloody murder is, then that explains mtnsnake Dec 2020 #34
Nice dodge. But since you seem to be an expert on screaming bloody murder StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #47
Nice try mtnsnake Dec 2020 #56
And an effective try. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2020 #283
+1000. When one can't articulate what is demanding, then the likelihood of getting that demand ehrnst Dec 2020 #293
This is a valid and constructive critique of the party's strategy that in no way violates DU rules. Towlie Dec 2020 #9
Appreciate this. cilla4progress Dec 2020 #27
Thank you. mtnsnake Dec 2020 #38
Agree! mountain grammy Dec 2020 #93
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Maybe not. Towlie Dec 2020 #50
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Yeah. Who cares about the Senate kcr Dec 2020 #116
Thanks for making my point LiberalLovinLug Dec 2020 #151
Oh, right. 2010? How did that turnout? kcr Dec 2020 #169
Amen Hekate Dec 2020 #201
Correct. betsuni Dec 2020 #208
Well, J try and stay on topic. There are plenty of other Republican bashing threads. LiberalLovinLug Dec 2020 #277
Democrats had a 60 vote filibuster-proof majority in the senate for all of four months and ten days betsuni Dec 2020 #279
About the topic of public support for M4A, since you brought it into the discussion... ehrnst Dec 2020 #301
What many advocates of the as-yet incomplete "M4A" (there still are huge funding gaps!) do is... George II Dec 2020 #311
Yes, specificity seems to be in short supply in some quarters. ehrnst Dec 2020 #312
Well, LLL, Staying on topic...and using your sports analogy: ehrnst Dec 2020 #307
+1000! mcar Dec 2020 #314
A majority of Americans do NOT support "M4A". Not even close to a majority. George II Dec 2020 #313
Those attacks began even before Obama was sworn in. He was being bashed for some of his... George II Dec 2020 #300
+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #305
+1000. ehrnst Dec 2020 #308
Oh yeah? What "Point" was that? Cha Dec 2020 #315
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Thank you for letting me know mtnsnake Dec 2020 #221
This is hardly the first discussion like this treestar Dec 2020 #97
I don't feel like a piece of software.I feel like a DU member who said I'd be willing to be on Jury Hekate Dec 2020 #111
I've had posts hidden for questioning the importance of dry powder Orrex Dec 2020 #135
But constructive criticism IS allowed. But that not welcome often. Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #179
Perhaps blaming Democrats causes more damage Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #11
Groupthink is not good as well, it doesn't allow for justified critiques and is ultimately harmful DSandra Dec 2020 #26
Once more, with feeling: Hillary lost the Electoral College in a game of peeling off fringes... Hekate Dec 2020 #95
+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #159
There was still significant room for improvement in Hillary's Campaign DSandra Dec 2020 #176
The fact is, Clinton lost.......in 2016. Now in 2020 Biden won. But people are still complaining.... George II Dec 2020 #241
Republicans don't attack their right flank. We attack our left nonstop Sympthsical Dec 2020 #16
+10,000 mtnsnake Dec 2020 #25
Wrong, Symph. The GOP did not attack their wingnuts & were themselves absorbed by wingnuts... Hekate Dec 2020 #40
correct treestar Dec 2020 #80
Many of us object to AOC going after Democrats instead of Republicans mcar Dec 2020 #41
Did you object when Pelosi endorsed Joe Kennedy over incumbent Markey? Bradshaw3 Dec 2020 #91
Does Pelosi regularly slam Democrats mcar Dec 2020 #210
+1 fleabiscuit Dec 2020 #284
+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #285
+1000. ehrnst Dec 2020 #292
That's funny because when she goes after, say, Marco Rubio Bettie Dec 2020 #92
I didn't complain about that mcar Dec 2020 #117
Huh? She goes after Republicans and their policies CONSTANTLY Maven Dec 2020 #229
True. I keep an eye on her. She's slammin' Republicans, Rubio the 2024 contender especially. ancianita Dec 2020 #327
The left is Nancy Pelosi JI7 Dec 2020 #43
Yep. mcar Dec 2020 #211
AOC on Pelosi: "her personal politics are very progressive." betsuni Dec 2020 #326
No one hates them left. So stop. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #61
HA. progressoid Dec 2020 #114
This right here melman Dec 2020 #69
No our left flank attacks us treestar Dec 2020 #78
And yet no one has anything bad to say about her until she bashes Democrats and the party. MrsCoffee Dec 2020 #100
Um, when she went after Marco Rubio Bettie Dec 2020 #112
+1 progressoid Dec 2020 #115
Who on our side attacked her for going after a Republican? kcr Dec 2020 #134
Here is the thread, I'm not going to "call out" Bettie Dec 2020 #145
You didn't post a link kcr Dec 2020 #147
Ooops. I didn't hit the paste key Bettie Dec 2020 #150
All I see is one who objected to swear words kcr Dec 2020 #163
She may get more criticism than she deserves. She also gets more praise and credit than she's earned StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #165
There was just a whole ass thread where people were.. aidbo Dec 2020 #178
I agree 100% and excellent comment. SophieJean Dec 2020 #126
The only thing that works is get the most votes/representatives. Screaming bloody murder... brush Dec 2020 #17
But talk and fighting back effectively motivates the base DSandra Dec 2020 #33
The base of the democratic party is the opposite of the base of the Republican Party JI7 Dec 2020 #45
I'm as Democrat in demographic profile as one can get, and I want Democrats to fight harder DSandra Dec 2020 #182
Citation needed... Callado119 Dec 2020 #215
Good point! betsuni Dec 2020 #225
+1 million zillion treestar Dec 2020 #98
+1 million superpatriotman Dec 2020 #18
"LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!" StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #29
Your sarcasm is noted superpatriotman Dec 2020 #35
It was a reasonable question mcar Dec 2020 #37
You give hope and courage and support superpatriotman Dec 2020 #49
Democrats going on tv and calling people liars tells millions of people StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #63
Dems bad! Dems bad! Dems bad! mcar Dec 2020 #21
Who posted that and where is it? Let me know so I can alert. Crunchy Frog Dec 2020 #167
Joe Manchin knows how to fight. He won many times in a very red state. JI7 Dec 2020 #28
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Thing is, this critique is being shared among "family, here. cilla4progress Dec 2020 #32
Katie Porter is Katie Porter JI7 Dec 2020 #42
This kind of demand is really about satisfying the desire for red meat among the already converted StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #44
Are we so helpless that we can't go after THEM? What about what they're doing to Hunter Biden? mtnsnake Dec 2020 #48
Yelling at people isn't "going after them." It's just yelling StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #53
You keep insisting that this is only about yelling and screaming when it is anything but that. mtnsnake Dec 2020 #62
All you've proposed is yelling and screaming StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #64
Not true. I proposed taking action. Read the first sentence of my post. mtnsnake Dec 2020 #70
Yes, you proposed "taking action" yet somehow keep forgetting to share what that action is StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #74
Why is it that you want to see the GOP continue walking all over us with no response? mtnsnake Dec 2020 #83
You fail to see the power of words LiberalLovinLug Dec 2020 #94
And they have message discipline Bettie Dec 2020 #99
+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2020 #152
Yes - "Voters take their cue from their leaders" StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #103
"Claiming that "words have power" is not a defense to that kind of empty posturing" LiberalLovinLug Dec 2020 #128
NO. You're Wrong.. she doesn't "fail" as you say Cha Dec 2020 #317
What "action" do you want them to take? That could mean anything..... George II Dec 2020 #231
No matter how many more times you nag me about this mtnsnake Dec 2020 #232
So, in other words you don't like what Schumer, et. al., are doing but you can't say how.... George II Dec 2020 #234
whatever mtnsnake Dec 2020 #235
whatever....just read it. In other words nothing specific - just what another poster spoke about. George II Dec 2020 #239
That's a crock and you know it mtnsnake Dec 2020 #240
More strawmen and false dilemma fallacies ehrnst Dec 2020 #290
What about Hunter Biden ? Barr said there is nothing there . JI7 Dec 2020 #55
Good point, JI7. mtnsnake Dec 2020 #72
Even Katy Porter doesn't do what you suggest kcr Dec 2020 #46
It's Katie, not Katy mtnsnake Dec 2020 #51
Pretty sorry attempt on your part kcr Dec 2020 #65
"There's nothng about taking action in my OP"?? Really? It's right there in the first sentence mtnsnake Dec 2020 #67
REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!! kcr Dec 2020 #68
Really StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #76
You still haven't explained why you'd rather sit back and do nothing. mtnsnake Dec 2020 #79
Interesting choice to respond to the non-yelly "really" kcr Dec 2020 #84
Because I don't get baited by bullshit StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #85
Again with the same strawman and false dilemma ehrnst Dec 2020 #296
Exactly. StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #52
Yup, The reason she is good is because she understands the issue and doesn't just repeat talking poi JI7 Dec 2020 #58
too much investment in "comity" and institutional tradition. Grasswire2 Dec 2020 #54
At this time in history, our nation needs calm. That is one of the patricia92243 Dec 2020 #59
It is, apparently, never the time for Bettie Dec 2020 #265
+1000 mtnsnake Dec 2020 #272
I love how some folks are trying to make like my post is only about screaming and yelling mtnsnake Dec 2020 #66
What action? treestar Dec 2020 #87
Yes, hard to miss. Such a mischaracterization, quite a distraction from JudyM Dec 2020 #90
Thank you. mtnsnake Dec 2020 #101
Katie, Kamala, AOC, others, are representing the best we can be. eom. Alex4Martinez Dec 2020 #71
BS. One more "Democrats don't know how to fight" stopdiggin Dec 2020 #73
Excellent response StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #77
Thank you. The eternal "Why didn't/don't Democrats stop ____ ?" complaint. betsuni Dec 2020 #185
Yup, always the fault of those Democrats Progressive dog Dec 2020 #75
This is why I love Katie Porter! Lucky Luciano Dec 2020 #81
Enough of this! treestar Dec 2020 #82
Some of us, DENVERPOPS Dec 2020 #86
You're welcome mtnsnake Dec 2020 #113
Rec Ponietz Dec 2020 #88
What should they be doing? cwydro Dec 2020 #89
We can at least turn the tables on them. mtnsnake Dec 2020 #96
In what way should we "turn the tables on them"? Calling them names? pnwmom Dec 2020 #104
Nothing will make "conservative" a dirty word faster kcr Dec 2020 #107
+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #192
Thanks for fighting the good fight Bettie Dec 2020 #102
You're very welcome mtnsnake Dec 2020 #110
Nonsense. Nobody is saying that. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #157
Brings back memories. betsuni Dec 2020 #195
Said no Democrat ever. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #171
The Lincoln Project proved this Loge23 Dec 2020 #105
I am very surprised this OP was allowed to stand. MontanaMama Dec 2020 #106
Thank you for trying. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #197
I've been screaming the same message for decades. Paladin Dec 2020 #108
Excellent post mtnsnake Dec 2020 #120
There shouldn't be a FIGHT to begin with. Brainfodder Dec 2020 #118
I agree 100% HootieMcBoob Dec 2020 #119
Constructive criticism isn't screaming, yelling, bashing or trashing, so thank you for this. democrank Dec 2020 #121
We don't have to nod our heads all the time kcr Dec 2020 #125
I agree. democrank Dec 2020 #137
Lord. Nobody is suggesting that. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #168
Well, except only to suggest we give it right back to them kcr Dec 2020 #173
Ah, yes! You're certainly right about that! NurseJackie Dec 2020 #177
+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #198
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Dec 2020 #155
How about they explain this new deal that we are getting. We were offered a vsrazdem Dec 2020 #122
No. "Nancy Pelosi didn't 'turn down' a great deal and then accept a much worse deal. There wasn't betsuni Dec 2020 #200
You're 100% right. It's time for a new generation of leadership who understands: Maven Dec 2020 #123
Well said! Bettie Dec 2020 #139
I agree with both you and Maven dflprincess Dec 2020 #249
For starters Oscarthegreat Dec 2020 #127
Yes mtnsnake Dec 2020 #133
AMEN!!! FFS yes! LymphocyteLover Dec 2020 #253
Democrats have been calling him that for years StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #264
Remember when Hillary Clinton called him a puppet of Putin in 2016. betsuni Dec 2020 #267
But when Democrats fight back or speak out.. aidbo Dec 2020 #129
Please define "play the game" and "fight fire with fire". Caliman73 Dec 2020 #130
In the Top Ten Biden moves homegirl Dec 2020 #140
The president doesn't impeach Supreme Court justices StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #228
Do you have any homegirl Dec 2020 #316
I have serious doubts she would waste her time with such an effort StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #318
I should have been homegirl Dec 2020 #322
You are right and I'm really tired of it. Pepsidog Dec 2020 #142
I agree. Our timidity - and 'taking high road bullshit - is risking our Democracy samsingh Dec 2020 #144
Keepin' the powder dry Bettie Dec 2020 #146
Like The Dems with Leader Nancy Cha Dec 2020 #194
I remember how folks DEMANDED Pelosi impeach Trump and called her a weak coward StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #202
+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #205
Yeah, I remember that, too.. all Cha Dec 2020 #213
Sing it! sheshe2 Dec 2020 #227
This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Dec 2020 #286
+ eternity. sheshe2 Dec 2020 #223
So you think being a some sort of unified fighting machine relayerbob Dec 2020 #156
Your words not mine. nt mtnsnake Dec 2020 #161
Yes, playing offense, what a concept BeyondGeography Dec 2020 #164
Exactly. Thank you. mtnsnake Dec 2020 #170
Thanks for the thread BeyondGeography Dec 2020 #172
Excellent point. nt Maven Dec 2020 #230
Agree with you 100 percent. I_UndergroundPanther Dec 2020 #276
Oh my! Can't believe the blind loyalty crowd hasn't zapped this. Kudos Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2020 #174
Please go easy with such divisive and specious bellyaching like this. WE need to GOTV better and Prof.Higgins Dec 2020 #175
it's why we need NEW BLOOD Skittles Dec 2020 #180
You are getting a lot of flack for your post but you are right! crimycarny Dec 2020 #183
Yes, we sure can improve on that mtnsnake Dec 2020 #184
What are the problems, again, with our messaging? Please at least begin a list. ancianita Dec 2020 #187
Why do you need a list? crimycarny Dec 2020 #274
Condensing our message problems is a good start, is why. ancianita Dec 2020 #294
With slight modifications crimycarny Dec 2020 #319
Okay. Well. See, I thought I was summarizing what you said, so here's an example of ancianita Dec 2020 #321
??? crimycarny Dec 2020 #323
... ancianita Dec 2020 #324
House Democrats have done a lot since 2016. ancianita Dec 2020 #186
Thank you! betsuni Dec 2020 #204
Sure, keep bashing EVERY Democrat except for "a couple of others", i.e. all but 3..... George II Dec 2020 #188
"the ones that make the least noise are the ones that are actually accomplishing things" betsuni Dec 2020 #206
That's why it would be interesting to know of whom the OP is speaking, so we CAN.... George II Dec 2020 #209
It's, you know, "them." betsuni Dec 2020 #216
Attack on Democrats on a Democratic board! AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #189
trump LOST the FUCKING Election in a Cha Dec 2020 #203
Hey Cha hows it going mtnsnake Dec 2020 #214
If that's not fighting back, I don't know what is. betsuni Dec 2020 #287
Here's why Republicans are good at messaging and communication: betsuni Dec 2020 #233
Good post. mtnsnake Dec 2020 #236
We outspent them 2:1 in 2020 House contests BeyondGeography Dec 2020 #237
Thank you. Maven Dec 2020 #238
yes, we need to do a better job getting our message out LymphocyteLover Dec 2020 #254
but but but aoc is gonna doom the party. mopinko Dec 2020 #246
Newly minted Dem Steve Schmidt knows how to do it DeminPennswoods Dec 2020 #262
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