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Enoki33

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47. Crazy idea here. Mcconnell has already

Sat Jan 16, 2021, 07:33 PM

Jan 2021

Implied he prefers doing what makes it easier to purge tRump from the Republican Party. By delaying the trial he is giving Schumer two additional votes, while minimizing the personal political blowback from a conviction. Schumer will be in charge. Suspect Nancy is fully aware of this

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I think Nancy Pelosi is holding back the impeachment to stop [View all] Baltimike Jan 2021 OP

Agree! Nothing slips past madam speaker Thekaspervote Jan 2021 #1

sure it also didn't get past Madam Speaker that soldierant Jan 2021 #42

Need Clarification on this..... essaynnc Jan 2021 #2

Impeachment has no effect at all on his pardon power StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #5

That's what I always thought Turin_C3PO Jan 2021 #13

CNN also had some lawyer on who claimed a simple video made by Trump and broadcast Celerity Jan 2021 #52

It doesn't sound like that to me. PTWB Jan 2021 #57

That's not exactly right StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #62

So he literally could scream it out from the rooftop of the White House and it's valid Celerity Jan 2021 #72

Yeah, it's f**ked up! Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2021 #78

I agree that that is bullshit StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #61

+1000 Celerity Jan 2021 #74

One thing among many that needs to be fixed.... paleotn Jan 2021 #31

+1 mdbl Jan 2021 #56

Actually, the pardon power is a good one StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #63

I guess I missed out on all the good it has done mdbl Jan 2021 #69

I guess you did. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #71

and I don't remember saying we should abolish it mdbl Jan 2021 #75

The abuse issue is addressed by electing Solomon Jan 2021 #90

like that always happens? mdbl Jan 2021 #91

No, it doesn't always happen. But the system is set up to require us to be responsible StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #93

Well it's not going to change based on what I say but, mdbl Jan 2021 #94

How do you determine a pardoned person was involved in a crime with the president unless and until StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #96

good luck convincing 74,000,000 of that mdbl Jan 2021 #99

Why do you think i have any desire or obligation to convince those people of anything? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #101

Thank you StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #92

Thank you! Solomon Feb 2021 #103

Granted, but like any unilateral power, it can easily be used for great wrong. paleotn Jan 2021 #76

As we've seen, any power, regardless how broad or limited can be abused StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #79

That is how I heard it explained by a legal scholar. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #32

Conviction would by God remove the pardon power, soldierant Jan 2021 #37

Maybe there needs to be a new amendment to the constitution regarding Captain Zero Jan 2021 #55

So now that he has been impeached, wnylib Jan 2021 #46

Impeachment has no impact on his ability to pardon anyone including himself. n/t whopis01 Jan 2021 #83

But those pardons can be... lame54 Jan 2021 #86

Yes. Definitely StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #87

If he pardons them, he will be implicated in their crimes, MoonRiver Jan 2021 #11

Trump was already impeached PJMcK Jan 2021 #16

Your information appears sound soldierant Jan 2021 #41

Your thinking is sound. If t**** gives out pardons after this impeachment and then is IsItJustMe Jan 2021 #48

Amen! soldierant Jan 2021 #50

The pardon would not be in question. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #64

Perhaps you are right. But, I understand the reasoning of the poster. IsItJustMe Jan 2021 #80

Others may disagree, but they would be wrong StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #82

Its complicated. While he does have extensive pardon powers it could be argued that the powers are cstanleytech Jan 2021 #49

The impeachment limit doesn't apply to crimes kst Jan 2021 #58

Everything you write is absolutely correct StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #66

If Trump's implicated in the crime he's dishing out pardons for, those pardons can be overturned. backscatter712 Jan 2021 #95

Yes! Blue Owl Jan 2021 #3

Good. The pardons would be meaningless... I wonder if he knows that. liberalla Jan 2021 #4

Impeachment doesn't affect pardons at all. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #9

So that's not the reason Pelosi is waiting? She must have other reasons for stalling... liberalla Jan 2021 #15

I think she's waiting until Democrats control of the Senate StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #19

Thank you for your reply! liberalla Jan 2021 #23

McConnell would have nothing to lose by repeating his last impeachment performance Crash2Parties Jan 2021 #30

Here are two guesses PJMcK Jan 2021 #21

Thank you for adding your ideas here! liberalla Jan 2021 #24

Being impeached obviously doesn't stop his pardon Phoenix61 Jan 2021 #6

That would be an atrocity if trDump were able to pardon the mob of domestic terrorists,... magicarpet Jan 2021 #7

I didn't know that.. Cha Jan 2021 #8

That's not true. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #10

Darn! It sounded so FAIR! Cha Jan 2021 #14

If you mean, he knows pardoning them would be a bad strategic move because StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #12

At least there is that.. TY. These Cha Jan 2021 #18

So he can pardon anyone for any and all crimes up until the date of said pardon? Ligyron Jan 2021 #35

There's also the interpretation of the last part of Article II Sec 2 Clause 1 Cheezoholic Jan 2021 #53

I think you'll find that most of the discussion accepting that interpretation StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #60

It's not really in his interest to do it if he could. BrightKnight Jan 2021 #17

If he is no longer President he can't pardon anyone katmondoo Jan 2021 #20

exactly. nt Baltimike Jan 2021 #26

No man is above the law. The president cannot self pardon Baltimike Jan 2021 #22

I'm not sure bunny planet Jan 2021 #25

Actually this specific question came up when the constitution was being written... PoliticAverse Jan 2021 #38

He can pardon whomever he wants, even people involved in crimes he's committed StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #68

Constitutional scholars have differing opinions on pardons SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2021 #27

How ironic for the POTUS who loves the death penalty die by it. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2021 #28

I truly hope that, or similar, is the rationale behind waiting. What a f'in gross attack on our dem. Evolve Dammit Jan 2021 #29

I like the waiting Traildogbob Jan 2021 #36

Oh were that to come true.. Be still my little heart! Just the facts, m'am. we need Joe Friday. nt Evolve Dammit Jan 2021 #65

She might want to hold it until the two new Dem Senators are sworn in Sogo Jan 2021 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2021 #34

Ty, Nancy! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #39

Trump knows if he pardons the rebels he is more likely to be convicted in the Senate. yellowcanine Jan 2021 #40

If the Senate can get the Resolution when Democrats are in control BumRushDaShow Jan 2021 #43

Show every despicable detail of this insurrection. Days and days of it until it is IsItJustMe Jan 2021 #54

Are you guys sure? The question is can he pardon people that committed crimes that he is impeached rainy Jan 2021 #44

Did anyone see the "Pardon" expert on Lawrences? show last night???? DENVERPOPS Jan 2021 #59

He can pardon anyone for any reason, even people involved in crimes he was impeached for StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #70

"Holding back" impeachment doesn't affect Trump's pardon power. There is, however, a good reason... CaptainTruth Jan 2021 #45

Crazy idea here. Mcconnell has already Enoki33 Jan 2021 #47

Valid reasoning! Chainfire Jan 2021 #73

I fear a boatload of "in your face" pardons are coming Wednesday morning Thunderbeast Jan 2021 #51

If he's stupid enough to pardon them I say he should go for it. live love laugh Jan 2021 #67

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2021 #77

Keith O says Trump can't pardon insurrectionists... rainy Jan 2021 #81

Keith O is wrong. n/t whopis01 Jan 2021 #84

Yes, he's dead wrong StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #88

I am not a lawyer and don't find it hard to understand. whopis01 Jan 2021 #98

Exactly StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #100

Lawrence Tribe: scipan Jan 2021 #85

Granting these pardons could be criminal. But the pardons are still valid. StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #89

Surely you have to know people's names to pardon them? And... LAS14 Jan 2021 #97

I've heard some people argue that, but I don't believe it's valid StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #102