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Ford_Prefect

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14. Herd Immunity is a debunked theory that never could apply to humans.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 04:38 PM
Jan 2021

It is a poorly defined theory with a lot of observational bias when applied to mammals. It depends upon the fairly short cycle of reproduction found in wild mammals and is an extension of the poorly named "survival of the fittest" school of evolution theory.

Its primary flaw is that this theory depends upon a segment of the population dying off, leaving those with some degree of resistance alive to reproduce the next generation of offspring. It is a formula for excusing genocide that once was applied by some to ideas for public policy response to AIDS and Ebola.

In NO way does it actually function to successfully immunize a human population as Sweden has demonstrated. It assumes all survival cases reacted successfully to a standard of medical response which is impossible to maintain across diverse communities of income, service delivery, population and physical distribution. It also assumes the resistance gained by survivors will last a significant time if not become permanent, neither of which conditions has occurred with COVID-19. It also assumes that survivors cannot be carriers which sadly hasn't been true enough.

Moo snort Jan 2021 #1
Snort 😂 OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #11
Herd immunity is not a good strategy Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #2
Exactly. Better to err on side of caution OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #8
Yes it does, as does much of the behavior of many humans, elleng Jan 2021 #3
The irony of the term "herd immunity" is that it is very Darwinian Buckeyeblue Jan 2021 #4
Thanks. I missed that irony because OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #6
Community immunity Donkees Jan 2021 #5
Better however it's an unproven theory OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #7
There is herd immunity for the flu Klaralven Jan 2021 #9
It's the Darwinian Phrase "Herd Immunity" OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #12
2a(1): a group of people usually having a common bond, e.g. a herd of tourists Klaralven Jan 2021 #34
Never herd that before. I avoid them. OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #36
Although usually used in the context of hoofed animals, it can refer to any collection of animals Klaralven Jan 2021 #37
And a lot in common with viruses OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #38
Give a virus a billion petri dishes and wait to see what comes out. Chainfire Jan 2021 #10
Exactly. But make sure to move them around OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #15
I don't object to the term "herd immunity." But let's talk about "dehumanizing". gulliver Jan 2021 #13
Very funny. Thank you 😂 OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #17
Herd Immunity is a debunked theory that never could apply to humans. Ford_Prefect Jan 2021 #14
Omg Thank you Ford_Prefect OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #20
no, not perfect by a long shot, that reply is flawed on multiple levels Celerity Jan 2021 #30
Vaccines work via producing herd immunity, & for the umpteenth time, we here in Sweden never had Celerity Jan 2021 #28
I accept your correction about what is and hasn't happened in Sweden. I stand corrected, thank you. Ford_Prefect Jan 2021 #33
Using vaccines to reach herd immunity is a basic, simple scientific concept, but do not take my word Celerity Jan 2021 #35
K&R smirkymonkey Jan 2021 #16
Thank you ☺️ OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #18
People don't understand how it works. Media has failed to inform people how it works. KentuckyWoman Jan 2021 #19
Herd immunity is a well established scientific term. It does not apply exclusively to humans. beastie boy Jan 2021 #21
The WHO on herd immunity: Denzil_DC Jan 2021 #22
Awesome. Thank you. This is perfectly stated OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #23
It HAS been debased by misuse to the point where it probably isn't helpful to use it Denzil_DC Jan 2021 #25
Thank you again. OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #26
I like it. It's catchy and immediately understandable. ananda Jan 2021 #24
It is both, yes. However, it may be misleading OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #27
I think of it as a tongue-in-cheek slap in the face... ananda Jan 2021 #29
I was going to circle back to ask if your OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #31
Lol. ananda Jan 2021 #39
Mine landed on a bad sector last April OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #40
The word vaccine is derived from the Latin word for cow: Vacca LeftInTX Jan 2021 #32
Well that was udderly readiculous OhNo-Really Jan 2021 #42
Coronaviridae are RNA viruses. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2021 #41
Common Cold Caliman73 Jan 2021 #43
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