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12. It's not that simple- the rule change vote is simple majority, but the motion to proceed isn't

Mon Jan 25, 2021, 06:38 PM

Jan 2021

Before a floor vote on a rule change can happen, a Motion To Proceed must pass, and that is subject to filibuster.

The filibuster, in all shapes and forms must be dead, dead, dead, twelve ways to Sunday, no exceptions, no excuses.

The stakes are too high.

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Even Claire McCaskill says Schumer should exercise the nuclear option now [View all] servermsh Jan 2021 OP

They have no choice, they must jettison the filibuster to get stuff done, or they'll lose in 2022. SunSeeker Jan 2021 #1

They have to bide their time for that, but Schumer needs to get the nuclear option done BComplex Jan 2021 #2

It's not that simple- the rule change vote is simple majority, but the motion to proceed isn't Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #12

Then how was McConnell able to ditch the filibuster without a supermajority vote? nt SunSeeker Jan 2021 #43

He used a parliamentary maneuver to shut down debate, but more importantly, had 51+ votes. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #53

We have 51. Why can't we do the same? SunSeeker Jan 2021 #54

We do not have 51 votes to kill filibuster- we don't even have 48 votes. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #55

Schumer just needs to nail down Sinema and Manchin, then we have 51 with Harris. SunSeeker Jan 2021 #58

Wait, I thought the 117th is 50-50, right? And Harris (?) would break vote ties? ancianita Jan 2021 #59

The senate is currently organized under rules adopted on January 3 Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #60

If this is the case then it's been a trap and the nuclear option is the only way out of this. ancianita Jan 2021 #61

Yes, it is- only the timing is up for debate Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #63

Good. The timing is to overturn the Organizing Resolution. There's got to be ONE country over ancianita Jan 2021 #65

Yes I agree but Bev54 Jan 2021 #27

Schumer needs to whip his caucus, in every sense of the term. SunSeeker Jan 2021 #38

Biden may have to get involved and meet with them Bev54 Jan 2021 #45

Good God. Just get it done. NCDem47 Jan 2021 #3

How? mcar Jan 2021 #41

I agree. k&r n/t Laelth Jan 2021 #4

What exactly is the nuclear option? comradebillyboy Jan 2021 #5

from Wikipedia BlueSky3 Jan 2021 #9

Moscow Mitch will obstruct as long as he is given the power to do so. He's working the press. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2021 #6

McCaskill's insight into process is very important. SharonClark Jan 2021 #7

I wasn't a huge fan when she was a senator... but what did I know...but on MSNBC I love her Karadeniz Jan 2021 #17

Maybe not a big fan but she was beaten by Josh Hawley bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #29

OMG...I didn't realize the voters of Missouri fell for him! Actually, I do. He puts up a good facade Karadeniz Jan 2021 #32

I would rather have any democrat over a Republican. bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #35

True! Karadeniz Jan 2021 #57

One of the reasons she was beaten by Hawley was that too many Dems thought she was too moderate StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #64

Agreed, and we would be so much better with her there. bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #66

Exactly StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #67

The US Sentate has turned into MontanaMama Jan 2021 #8

How? mcar Jan 2021 #46

I agree, but I don't like the term "nuclear option" which makes the Dems look like the extreme ones. themaguffin Jan 2021 #10

Schumer is in a tough spot, it isn't him. Sinema, Manchin and maybe Feinstein Thekaspervote Jan 2021 #11

She was talking about a way to require a simple moonscape Jan 2021 #36

It's done not much for us lately. GOP got what they want. Let's not give them tools to block us. bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #13

McCaskill has been pretty damn awesome as a commentator. W_HAMILTON Jan 2021 #14

so true, I think she by nature is far more liberal than Manchin and (now gone) Heitkamp, Celerity Jan 2021 #28

She is absolutely right. Dems need to stop giving a damn what anybody says about them. ancianita Jan 2021 #15

How will they accomplish this without 51 votes? mcar Jan 2021 #47

Why "even" Claire McCaskill? George II Jan 2021 #16

Because she was one of the most conservative Democrats. n/t servermsh Jan 2021 #19

She IS a Democrat, not "was" a Democrat. Again, she IS a Democrat. George II Jan 2021 #21

n/t servermsh Jan 2021 #22

They obviously meant was one of the most conservative democrats IN THE SENATE jcgoldie Jan 2021 #25

Right? mcar Jan 2021 #48

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Turkey neck has already said he would be an obstructionist. lpbk2713 Jan 2021 #23

Nuke the obstructionists orangecrush Jan 2021 #24

So, this is the thing TimeToGo Jan 2021 #26

Yes, but lacking 2 democratic votes, there is nothing he can do. bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #30

Good. We need her vote. Iggo Jan 2021 #31

So, if McConnell won't give in and Shumer won't Bettie Jan 2021 #33

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You ignore her first sentence grantcart Jan 2021 #37

Thank you mcar Jan 2021 #49

How can he do this mcar Jan 2021 #39

Schumer must tell Manchin and Sinema: Eyeball_Kid Jan 2021 #40

Democratic Senators displaying any disloyalty have to go. NoMoreRepugs Jan 2021 #42

Where should they go? When? How? mcar Jan 2021 #50

She does seem better as a commentator mvd Jan 2021 #44

They would need at least 51 votes. kentuck Jan 2021 #51

no filibuster vote from Joe, no chairmanship. Suck it up Joe! Mr. Sparkle Jan 2021 #52

It is now not just Manchin, Sinema is now also on record saying no, and Feinstein always was a no Celerity Jan 2021 #56

We should get off here, get over to social media and start swarming Schumer. I just all capped ancianita Jan 2021 #62

This subject is way more complicated thatn I thought. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #68