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bottomofthehill

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35. I would rather have any democrat over a Republican.

Mon Jan 25, 2021, 08:26 PM

Jan 2021

Manchin, Senima, although we can’t totally rely on them, we know how the vote would be if their seat was held by a Republican.

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Even Claire McCaskill says Schumer should exercise the nuclear option now [View all] servermsh Jan 2021 OP

They have no choice, they must jettison the filibuster to get stuff done, or they'll lose in 2022. SunSeeker Jan 2021 #1

They have to bide their time for that, but Schumer needs to get the nuclear option done BComplex Jan 2021 #2

It's not that simple- the rule change vote is simple majority, but the motion to proceed isn't Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #12

Then how was McConnell able to ditch the filibuster without a supermajority vote? nt SunSeeker Jan 2021 #43

He used a parliamentary maneuver to shut down debate, but more importantly, had 51+ votes. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #53

We have 51. Why can't we do the same? SunSeeker Jan 2021 #54

We do not have 51 votes to kill filibuster- we don't even have 48 votes. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #55

Schumer just needs to nail down Sinema and Manchin, then we have 51 with Harris. SunSeeker Jan 2021 #58

Wait, I thought the 117th is 50-50, right? And Harris (?) would break vote ties? ancianita Jan 2021 #59

The senate is currently organized under rules adopted on January 3 Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #60

If this is the case then it's been a trap and the nuclear option is the only way out of this. ancianita Jan 2021 #61

Yes, it is- only the timing is up for debate Fiendish Thingy Jan 2021 #63

Good. The timing is to overturn the Organizing Resolution. There's got to be ONE country over ancianita Jan 2021 #65

Yes I agree but Bev54 Jan 2021 #27

Schumer needs to whip his caucus, in every sense of the term. SunSeeker Jan 2021 #38

Biden may have to get involved and meet with them Bev54 Jan 2021 #45

Good God. Just get it done. NCDem47 Jan 2021 #3

How? mcar Jan 2021 #41

I agree. k&r n/t Laelth Jan 2021 #4

What exactly is the nuclear option? comradebillyboy Jan 2021 #5

from Wikipedia BlueSky3 Jan 2021 #9

Moscow Mitch will obstruct as long as he is given the power to do so. He's working the press. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2021 #6

McCaskill's insight into process is very important. SharonClark Jan 2021 #7

I wasn't a huge fan when she was a senator... but what did I know...but on MSNBC I love her Karadeniz Jan 2021 #17

Maybe not a big fan but she was beaten by Josh Hawley bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #29

OMG...I didn't realize the voters of Missouri fell for him! Actually, I do. He puts up a good facade Karadeniz Jan 2021 #32

I would rather have any democrat over a Republican. bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #35

True! Karadeniz Jan 2021 #57

One of the reasons she was beaten by Hawley was that too many Dems thought she was too moderate StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #64

Agreed, and we would be so much better with her there. bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #66

Exactly StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #67

The US Sentate has turned into MontanaMama Jan 2021 #8

How? mcar Jan 2021 #46

I agree, but I don't like the term "nuclear option" which makes the Dems look like the extreme ones. themaguffin Jan 2021 #10

Schumer is in a tough spot, it isn't him. Sinema, Manchin and maybe Feinstein Thekaspervote Jan 2021 #11

She was talking about a way to require a simple moonscape Jan 2021 #36

It's done not much for us lately. GOP got what they want. Let's not give them tools to block us. bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #13

McCaskill has been pretty damn awesome as a commentator. W_HAMILTON Jan 2021 #14

so true, I think she by nature is far more liberal than Manchin and (now gone) Heitkamp, Celerity Jan 2021 #28

She is absolutely right. Dems need to stop giving a damn what anybody says about them. ancianita Jan 2021 #15

How will they accomplish this without 51 votes? mcar Jan 2021 #47

Why "even" Claire McCaskill? George II Jan 2021 #16

Because she was one of the most conservative Democrats. n/t servermsh Jan 2021 #19

She IS a Democrat, not "was" a Democrat. Again, she IS a Democrat. George II Jan 2021 #21

n/t servermsh Jan 2021 #22

They obviously meant was one of the most conservative democrats IN THE SENATE jcgoldie Jan 2021 #25

Right? mcar Jan 2021 #48

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Turkey neck has already said he would be an obstructionist. lpbk2713 Jan 2021 #23

Nuke the obstructionists orangecrush Jan 2021 #24

So, this is the thing TimeToGo Jan 2021 #26

Yes, but lacking 2 democratic votes, there is nothing he can do. bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #30

Good. We need her vote. Iggo Jan 2021 #31

So, if McConnell won't give in and Shumer won't Bettie Jan 2021 #33

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You ignore her first sentence grantcart Jan 2021 #37

Thank you mcar Jan 2021 #49

How can he do this mcar Jan 2021 #39

Schumer must tell Manchin and Sinema: Eyeball_Kid Jan 2021 #40

Democratic Senators displaying any disloyalty have to go. NoMoreRepugs Jan 2021 #42

Where should they go? When? How? mcar Jan 2021 #50

She does seem better as a commentator mvd Jan 2021 #44

They would need at least 51 votes. kentuck Jan 2021 #51

no filibuster vote from Joe, no chairmanship. Suck it up Joe! Mr. Sparkle Jan 2021 #52

It is now not just Manchin, Sinema is now also on record saying no, and Feinstein always was a no Celerity Jan 2021 #56

We should get off here, get over to social media and start swarming Schumer. I just all capped ancianita Jan 2021 #62

This subject is way more complicated thatn I thought. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #68