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In reply to the discussion: Before you throw out the next Nazi, Hitler, Goebbels slur... [View all]Solly Mack
(97,279 posts)By "real" I take it you mean the original NAZIS of Germany that began - formally - in 1920 with a name change of a already existing political party. So began the rise to power of - within the existing system of government that was unprepared for - the man that would change the fate of millions. Billions, really.
Mussolini and his brand of Fascism, around 1915 or so, yes?
Russian pogroms began in the early 1800's.
The Spanish Inquisition began in in early 1200's.
People die. Ideas don't.
Ideas are contagious both for the good and the ill.
The Trail of Tears caused the deaths of about 3k (low end) to 6k (high end). But if saving the life of one person creates/saves generations, then the death of one kills off generations. Think about all those generations lost. I do. A lot.
Around 13 million lives lost. Think about all those lost generations. I do. A lot.
Slavery in the Americas murdered how many future generations do you think? And its ever-present progenitor - racism? How many future generations wiped out completely? That are still being wiped out?
Fascism, the organized idea come to fruition, came to America in the 1920's. Not that long after its rise - as a movement - in Italy. Oh, to be sure, with a decidedly American flavor, if you will.
Fascistic thought was around before it made headlines as a movement. No March on Rome needed.
Authoritarian thought has been around since there have been people to argue over who gets to be boss and why, so to speak. The "Why" of it all being important.
So the appeal of Fascism was always in America, like anywhere else. As authoritarian thinking was already present. But the collective of a movement gains momentum in a way that expressing an idea while out drinking with your friends doesn't. Well, unless at the point of a gun and several hundred thugs. Such things will cause people to pay attention - if only out of fear.
People do some seriously fucked up - I curse, deal - things because of their fear. That's not an excuse. Always check your fear, it's a path to the dark side. Yes, but it's still true.
Some Americans do claim to be NAZIS - usually with its combining form "Neo".
I don't argue with them about how they wish to identify. I accept them at their words and their actions - and I take note.
No one in America is likely to outright call themselves the "Fascist Party". They have admired and sought to implement the ideas of fascism. The direct implementation not so successful - the incorporation, well...
There's implement and incorporation. Incorporation is more insidious, in my opinion.
People might not accept the implementation of torture but they might just find a way to excuse the incorporation of torture into something with a different name -, say, like - enhanced interrogation techniques. But I digress.
Fear is ugly. And deadly.
The Shoah, Cambodian, Rwandan, First Peoples, Slavery, Armenian - the list goes on.
How many future generations that will never be?
A final thought, or idea, if you will...
If you wait for the ovens to be built, it's already too late.