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Hortensis

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42. VERY interesting. Thanks, Hermit. Reminds me of Koch saying,
Sat Feb 20, 2021, 09:57 AM
Feb 2021

in private -- one of the few Koch quotes on this that got "out" -- that the only valid role for government is protection of person and property, and perhaps from fraud. Not schools, not...anything but basic policing and military.

Most genuine libertarians, like socialists, tend to be romantics who imagine their idealized systems will improve human nature by forcing much better behavior (by extremely different means).

But definitely not this economist, Buchanan, at a third point of extremism with his overwhelmingly negative view of human nature.

Buchanan, in contrast, insisted that people were primarily driven by venal self-interest. Crediting people with altruism or a desire to serve others was “romantic” fantasy: politicians and government workers were out for themselves, and so, for that matter, were teachers, doctors, and civil rights activists. They wanted to control others and wrest away their resources: “Each person seeks mastery over a world of slaves,” he wrote... Does that sound like your kindergarten teacher? It did to Buchanan.

The people who needed protection were property owners, and their rights could only be secured though constitutional limits to prevent the majority of voters from encroaching on them, ... Buchanan wanted a private governing elite of corporate power that was wholly released from public accountability.

Suppressing voting, changing legislative processes so that a normal majority could no longer prevail, sowing public distrust of government institutions— all these were tactics toward the goal. But the Holy Grail was the Constitution: alter it and you could increase and secure the power of the wealthy in a way that no politician could ever challenge. ...

Buchanan and his associate Henry Manne, a founding theorist of libertarian economic approaches to law, focused on such affronts to capitalists as environmentalism and public health and welfare, expressing eagerness to dismantle Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare as well as kill public education because it tended to foster community values. Feminism had to go, too: the scholars considered it a socialist project.

Real pieces of work. Koch's favorite economist was an off-the-cliff conservative with a lucrative onlay of select libertarian justifications. Remembering also that the mean authoritarian father Koch himself rebelled against was so far right he admired the Third Reich's economics.

And these ideas took over the Republican Party.
The Republican Messaging Machine DanieRains Feb 2021 #1
Suspect the biggest catalyst was just that, libertarian messaging Hortensis Feb 2021 #2
libertarians like Koch ... Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #30
Racism+the legend of rugged individualism+hate radio+the prosperity gospel. Zoonart Feb 2021 #36
VERY interesting. Thanks, Hermit. Reminds me of Koch saying, Hortensis Feb 2021 #42
From a DA Levy poem davekriss Feb 2021 #54
Far from the whole truth, but too often too true nevertheless. Hortensis Feb 2021 #56
"Evil Geniuses," expands on this story. cachukis Feb 2021 #47
RUSH LIMBAUGH! n/t TexasBushwhacker Feb 2021 #7
Yep. 30+ years of it since The Fairness Doctrine was axed. Lucinda Feb 2021 #52
Yes, saw it happen to relatives. betsuni Feb 2021 #69
I see it BeerBarrelPolka Feb 2021 #3
I hate republicans.... diverdownjt Feb 2021 #40
Meanness is catching, and it's hardly just Americans. Authoritarianism Hortensis Feb 2021 #4
Reagan made greed and stupidity fashionable Skittles Feb 2021 #5
Conservative leaders KNOW that fear makes people more conservative. Hortensis Feb 2021 #9
Absolutely agree Chicagogrl1 Feb 2021 #27
And very popular OldBaldy1701E Feb 2021 #31
+1000 llmart Feb 2021 #68
That's the ME generation wildman76 Feb 2021 #6
Capitalism. nt Laffy Kat Feb 2021 #8
Why did meanness take over and destroy almost all socialist states? Hortensis Feb 2021 #12
How can people be so heartless? How can people be so cruel raccoon Feb 2021 #10
. Klaralven Feb 2021 #13
Nobody sings it like the incomparable Cheryl Barnes... smirkymonkey Feb 2021 #15
I always loved this version. Arkansas Granny Feb 2021 #16
Weird. I've been kept awake thinking about hierarchy, patriarchy, a new form of governing, chowder66 Feb 2021 #11
I hope you were able to sleep peacefully... OneGrassRoot Feb 2021 #20
This is the conundrum I fight with all the time. llmart Feb 2021 #65
Finally got to sleep around 4:30 am. Could use a few more hours chowder66 Feb 2021 #71
Is that the "Miniaturist" on PBS? llmart Feb 2021 #66
It is. I wasn't aware it was a book though. chowder66 Feb 2021 #67
It was on the NY Times bestseller list. llmart Feb 2021 #70
I might just have to do the reverse! : ) chowder66 Feb 2021 #72
Native Americans, blacks and others have been asking that for a few hundred years now. Kaleva Feb 2021 #14
This cagefreesoylentgreen Feb 2021 #53
Prosperity religion phandancer917 Feb 2021 #17
That certainly plays a part Hekate Feb 2021 #75
It originated somewhere East of Eden Martin Eden Feb 2021 #18
Putin. pwb Feb 2021 #19
When Regan legitimized greed for the sake of greed and invited the religious right... danclinger1000 Feb 2021 #21
Yes, BUT..BUT.....Please look at this post...Social Security, Welfare, Charities of all kinds... Stuart G Feb 2021 #22
Charles Darwin and William Graham Sumner bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #23
Don't forget ...Bill Gates and Warren Buffet ....have given away ...billions of dollars... Stuart G Feb 2021 #25
That's not the roots of greed, those are unexpected outcomes. bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #35
Greed is indeed Greed...but about KINDNESS.... Stuart G Feb 2021 #37
Disenchanted hippies as a start i.e. boomers JT45242 Feb 2021 #24
As a boomer/hippie edhopper Feb 2021 #49
If you were born in the 70s then you are Generation X. dawg Feb 2021 #59
I think it's the result of Dorian Gray Feb 2021 #26
How many...is ......................' SO MANY?"..from ORIGINAL POST.. Stuart G Feb 2021 #28
Republican/Nazis represent the worst of humanity. It's a reason this country dies. johnthewoodworker Feb 2021 #29
The U.S.A. DIES?..... ..This new guy who is President..cares about people. Haven't you noticed? Stuart G Feb 2021 #32
Because the Christianity they are taught on Sunday and in the home maxrandb Feb 2021 #33
It began in the Reagan years. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2021 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author GoCubsGo Feb 2021 #39
It did NOT begin in the Reagan Years..The RICH HAVE ALWAYS BEEN RICH... Stuart G Feb 2021 #41
They paid taxes. Kid Berwyn Feb 2021 #44
White supremacy plus capitalism. It's been with us since the beginning. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #38
If you are mean and hateful, you often get what you want. Chainfire Feb 2021 #43
Raygun was the King of this. kairos12 Feb 2021 #45
Racism and selfishness are cornerstones of the repug party. nt Hotler Feb 2021 #46
It's the pandemic. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2021 #48
How the Irish Became White Beringia Feb 2021 #50
By keeping the majority of working people edhopper Feb 2021 #51
They were raised that way. Kid Berwyn Feb 2021 #55
A ME Rica. sarcasmo Feb 2021 #57
Rush Fucking Limbaugh. Paladin Feb 2021 #58
It's been that way for a very long time. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2021 #60
Ronald Reagan and "rugged individualism" bluecollar2 Feb 2021 #61
November, 1980. roamer65 Feb 2021 #62
It's nuanced, but I think a major factor is that it is so easy to lose everything and ... dawg Feb 2021 #63
Selfishness is built in to human nature. NameAlreadyTaken Feb 2021 #64
Ask the slave owners. moondust Feb 2021 #73
On the other hand, Americans can be extraordinarily generous and quick to volunteer betsuni Feb 2021 #74
Why are so many Americans opening their wallets for Texas? AOC set up an Act Blue account.... Hekate Feb 2021 #76
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