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In reply to the discussion: We won the House in 2018 with MODERATE candidates in swing districts... [View all]NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)54. First, #FactsMatter
You think Mitch and the gang would play nice like that?
I didn't say anything about him.
They play hard and abuse the hell out of the rules when they are in charge.
We are not "in charge"... fact of the matter is this, we have a 50/50 "majority" with a tenuous power-sharing agreement. It makes no sense to pretend as though we now have the same ability to "play hard" and to abuse power as the GOP has done in the past. I live in the real world... and that's simply not going to happen here.
In fact, it did NOT happen. It will NOT happen. Let it go and move on. People need to stop shitting on Democrats for respecting the rules.
So spare me the its against the rules stuff.
What's more important? Making progress? Or showboating and grandstanding?
Were fighting for our lives here against a remorseless enemy.
Yes they are... but it does not make good sense to pretend that people were voting on "raising the minimum wage" when it was actually a vote on whether or not to improperly include it in the reconciliation bill.
This gimmick would have doomed the Covid Relief Bill... and even the Bill had passed, it would be stayed because of legal challenges... and thus delayed for MONTHS and MONTHS. I understand that people are eager and angry... but people also need to be smart and avoid making mistakes for the sake of pride, anger, revenge, stubbornness.
Link to tweet
First, #FactsMatter
Three VPs (Barkley, Humphrey, Rockefeller) have ignored a Parliamentarians advice.
It. Failed. Every. Time.
Each time, the Senate voted to rebuke the VP and side with the Parliamentarian.
Every. Damn. Time.
https://www.senate.gov/about/officers-staff/vice-president/VP_Nelson_Rockefeller.htm
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We won the House in 2018 with MODERATE candidates in swing districts... [View all]
brooklynite
Mar 2021
OP
i know.. i just hold my breath. I truely feel for those Dem senators in red areas...we DO
samnsara
Mar 2021
#1
That's not true. Manchin, for one, comes from a state that chose Trump by a HUGE margin.
pnwmom
Mar 2021
#46
Have you noticed that Arizona has a GOP governor and legislature. It is not purple yet. You won't
Demsrule86
Mar 2021
#16
Warnock and Ossoff were victims of very negative campaigns using the words and policies....
George II
Mar 2021
#61
Nope moderate Democrats gave us both the House and Senate and that is a fact.
Demsrule86
Mar 2021
#17
All politics is local...the candidate must fit the district/state they're running in...
Wounded Bear
Mar 2021
#8
Exactly. The WV gov was asking for the $15 minimum wage. Manchin is protecting himself
Thekaspervote
Mar 2021
#14
The Democrats could not vote for the bill because the parliamentarian said it could not be done in
Demsrule86
Mar 2021
#18
First of all, the House is going to vote on the Senate bill or so I hear...no conference. There
Demsrule86
Mar 2021
#25
If we lose, it is on them that no Democratic policy is passed. You have to be realistic and do what
Demsrule86
Mar 2021
#26
I fully understand the need of horses for courses, but what Manchin and Sinema
Celerity
Mar 2021
#28
The Covid bill which they both voted for is a good bill...so let's be happy about that.
Demsrule86
Mar 2021
#30
from what I see, Manchin singlehandedly chopped almost 2000 usd from millions of adults/voters in UE
Celerity
Mar 2021
#34
there are no 'far-left' Dems currently in Congress, and none that even won a primary
Celerity
Mar 2021
#36
Wrong on all points, and your continuing to call them 'far left' hurts our party.
Celerity
Mar 2021
#39
You, by falsely labelling them as far left, are helping to perpetuate that warped reality. It is
Celerity
Mar 2021
#41
Yet nary a word or scorn is uttered when "Conservadem" or "DINO" is bandied about...
NurseJackie
Mar 2021
#63
yes, and fellow Democrats using that false label, like i said here and on other threads, enables
Celerity
Mar 2021
#79
You miss the underlying points and are fixated only with your narrative. I AM talking about non deep
Celerity
Mar 2021
#82
This old canard has been debunked dozens of times. Vermont-style politicians...
NurseJackie
Mar 2021
#50
How many were in purple or red-leaning districts? My guess is very few if any, and "M4A" wasn't....
George II
Mar 2021
#57
A number of moderates lost because the far left "agenda" was used against them in their campaigns...
George II
Mar 2021
#59
You do realize that we lack the votes to over turn the filibuster in the real world
LetMyPeopleVote
Mar 2021
#64
Not "tradition". Reconciliation bills fall under a set of rules, they're not customary bills...
George II
Mar 2021
#74
The republicans didn't need the filibuster to defeat adding the minimum wage to the bill....
George II
Mar 2021
#60
Manchin said today he is open to getting rid of the filibuster for the voting bill...and other
Demsrule86
Mar 2021
#53
Yes we did, and we maintained the majority last year with mostly moderate candidates....
George II
Mar 2021
#58
Check who represented Staten Island, the predominant section of the CURRENT 11th District...
George II
Mar 2021
#70
Read my post again, it was republican from at least 1981 to 2011 (that's THIRTY years, "decades")...
George II
Mar 2021
#72
The point is that Staten Island is in a RED district that has been dominated by republicans....
George II
Mar 2021
#78
Manchin and Sinema are endangering the chances of other Democrats. Voters expect results.
DTomlinson
Mar 2021
#67