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hlthe2b

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41. It is a confounded proxy, inadequate without including additional variables to adjust for their .
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 05:42 AM
Mar 2021

affects or synergistic relationship. Some might argue skin color to be an adequate proxy for income and socioeconomic status (if you were rather race-ignorant) because percentage-wise more white Americans are wealthy. It is a confounded measure because of course other factors influence SES in the US and we surely have our share of poor white populations.

Correlation does not equate to causation and a well-conducted study adjusts for confounding, including in their choice of proxy variables. "Nature," which excels in presenting basic science studies/bench science studies, mostly drops the ball on epidemiological studies, generally publishing mere correlational, i.e., ecological studies based on trends To not learn these concepts will leave you increasingly "confounded," yourself.

As a Brit, there are well-done epi studies for you to learn from. Hell, even the original smoking and cancer study conducted by Sir Richard Doll and Sir Brandford Hill would a great starting place for you to learn these concepts. And, the BMJ, Lancet, and many other British journals can teach you what constitutes well-conducted epidemiological studies. Perhaps you may spend some time reading there. Then pull the fully discredited Andrew Wakefield's infamous MMR and autism study to see the impacts of poorly conducted epidemiology and why these concepts are so important.

My friend's brother-in-law - a daily runner aged 50 just died of Covid womanofthehills Mar 2021 #1
It's really unpredictable - Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #9
diabetes for sure is a serious comorbidity nt Celerity Mar 2021 #14
But I come from a very long line of diabetes - Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #18
You are working in a reverse fashion from what I was, I meant that the odds are pretty high Celerity Mar 2021 #20
I am intentionally working in the reverse fashion. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #22
that has no logical bearing on my scientific point I made, and it is not prejudice Celerity Mar 2021 #26
Only about 30% of obese people have type 2 diabetes Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #27
Now you literally misquoted me Celerity Mar 2021 #28
No. I literally (as in copy/paste) quoted you. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #29
you are playing cleverclogs games with my statement Celerity Mar 2021 #30
I'm not playing games at all. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #31
you left out parts, and then made incorrect claims based off that Celerity Mar 2021 #32
30% is not "pretty high odds" so it was not accurate as a whole. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #33
You keep leaving out the 2nd part. Celerity Mar 2021 #34
Just what we need... SergeStorms Mar 2021 #2
How slow is slow walking vs. fast walking? Ocelot II Mar 2021 #3
Misleading! There is no indication at the linked site that this study ascertained spooky3 Mar 2021 #4
Thank you! nocoincidences Mar 2021 #5
LOL! :-) spooky3 Mar 2021 #7
Exactly. Mr.Bill Mar 2021 #37
Full of confounding. Slow walkers also include those with osteoarthritis that also affects the young hlthe2b Mar 2021 #6
The study has references about walking pace being a good proxy for fitness muriel_volestrangler Mar 2021 #10
It is a confounded measure. BMI is an imperfect proxy for obesity (the extremely muscular hlthe2b Mar 2021 #11
No, that's really a ridiculous comparison - "along the lines of 'gambling causes cancer'" muriel_volestrangler Mar 2021 #12
It is the classic example used to teach those who do not understand the concept of confounding hlthe2b Mar 2021 #39
You are ignoring that brisk walking is an indicator of basic fitness muriel_volestrangler Mar 2021 #40
It is a confounded proxy, inadequate without including additional variables to adjust for their . hlthe2b Mar 2021 #41
Exactly. n/t pnwmom Mar 2021 #38
I go for a 35-40 minute walk just about every day Elwood P Dowd Mar 2021 #8
"Brisk" was defined as over 4mph, slow under 3 muriel_volestrangler Mar 2021 #13
In shape people Johnny2X2X Mar 2021 #15
Agree! Karma13612 Mar 2021 #16
Public transportation Johnny2X2X Mar 2021 #17
+1000 no question about it! ..nt Karma13612 Mar 2021 #23
+1000 llmart Mar 2021 #24
Good for you Johnny2X2X Mar 2021 #25
+100000 Celerity Mar 2021 #36
Great post. Celerity Mar 2021 #35
Thanks, another point people miss Johnny2X2X Mar 2021 #42
I "banked" my bone strength doing Jazzercise 3x per week for about 10 years. It has paid well. CTyankee Mar 2021 #19
Sounds like correlation rather than causation. MineralMan Mar 2021 #21
Slow walkers... seriously?!! ananda Mar 2021 #43
This makes me want to scream. milestogo Mar 2021 #44
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